[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Given that the "War on Drugs" appears to the rest of the world to be lost:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13624303 

I wonder what would make the US finally give it up as a lost cause?

Is it that there is just too much invested in the "War" for the US powers-that-be to relinquish one of its sacred cows? Or given the CIA's historic role in Latin America, and in various "drugs for weapons" and "drugs for freedom" operations world-wide (TM Oliver North, Taliban insurgency, et al) would liberalising the drugs laws run counter to US interests?

My own opinion is that we should legalise immediately. But I may just be an old hippie.

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Date: 2/6/11 10:11 (UTC)
southwest: (Palin)
From: [personal profile] southwest
If you legalize cannabis, next thing you know, we'll have red light districts and socialism here.

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Date: 2/6/11 11:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
And sidewalk potato chip vendors. The humanity.

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Date: 3/6/11 00:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
We already have the red light district and the socialism, but most places don't have cannabis :(

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Date: 3/6/11 00:52 (UTC)
southwest: (oscar)
From: [personal profile] southwest
in Australia, as usual, everything is upside-down :/

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Date: 2/6/11 11:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] medea34.livejournal.com
Yup - people will kill, steal, lose their teeth, their families and their dignity for their addictions. Criminalization and military action can't fight that kind of problem.

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Date: 2/6/11 11:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Yup - people will kill, steal, lose their teeth, their families and their dignity for their addictions.

And that's just for Big Macs!

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Date: 2/6/11 11:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
1) the former leaders of some countries that the current leaders disagrees with don't count as "the rest of the world".

2) No country has legalized drugs. I'm not talking about marijuana nor coffee.

3) There is a big difference between decriminalization/legalization, illegal posession/illegal distribution.

4) Babby/bathwater. We should fight terrorism. Invading Iraq being a terrible idea doesn't mean we shouldn't.

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Date: 2/6/11 11:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
And because my 4) analogy probably wasn't too clear, I constantly hear people saying "see a corrupt cop made some money off of drug sales! Oh oh mah gawd oh we need to legalize everything. Its the only thing to do"

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Date: 3/6/11 00:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
I don't think many people seriously support legalisation, but possession should be decriminalised. It's becoming more and more common as more places reap the benefits of decriminalisation.

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Date: 2/6/11 11:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Eh, what? North sold guns to Iran as a means to raise money for a bunch of nun-raping mass murderers Reagan couldn't get legal financing for. There was nothing to do with the War on Drugs in the Iran-Contra Affair.

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Date: 2/6/11 12:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardblue.livejournal.com
As I recall, the arms deal with Iran was also about getting hostages from Iran, and that the CIA had another operation to get money for its Nicaragua operations by selling drugs in America.

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Date: 2/6/11 12:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peamasii.livejournal.com
From a POV of population control, decriminalisation means loss of power. Government is force, once if you allow liberal social policies, its legitimacy is threatened.

In the US and the UK the government is strong enough, despite deficits, to be in a position to enforce such ridiculous laws. In countries like Netherlands, Belgium, etc. we've given up trying to control recreational drug usage, it costs too much and it creates more criminmality that we'd have to deal with. The police will still go after trafficking but personal consumption cannot be effectively punished.

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Date: 2/6/11 13:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lai-choi-san.livejournal.com
I wonder what would make the US finally give it up as a lost cause ?
A reflection campaign on the question "are we all equal when it comes to drug addiction ?" would be a good start to demonstrate the absurdity of the current war on drugs.

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Date: 2/6/11 15:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
It would run counter to corporate interests, therefore it would run counter to US interests.

Legalize them. It would create some problems, to be sure, but would solve so many more.

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Date: 2/6/11 15:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
What corporate interest (aside from the relatively small private-prison sector) is served by criminalization?

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Date: 2/6/11 15:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
I wonder what would make the US finally give it up as a lost cause?

It will not be a lost cause until politicians stop getting traction from the war on drugs.

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Date: 2/6/11 16:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
We'll stop when irrational fear ceases being an effective tool to get elected.

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Date: 2/6/11 17:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
The war on drugs benefits American and corporate interests.

The thing people need to understand is that it is possible to certain parties to benefit from waging an ineffective, expensive, pointless war on drugs.

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Date: 2/6/11 18:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
I asked this above, but which corporate interest are served, outside of the relatively small private prison sector?

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Date: 2/6/11 18:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] okmewriting.livejournal.com
Why, we have enough problems with the legal drugs. We don't need any more.

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Date: 2/6/11 18:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
We have a shitload of problems with the criminalization of drugs as well.

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Date: 3/6/11 00:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Prohibition of alcohol led to the creation of exceptionally powerful criminal organisations who still have an impact on our society today. Given that there is no evidence to suggest that legalisation would increase drug use, and some evidence to suggest that it will decrease drug use, essentially what you're arguing is that you would rather a world of drug cartels to one of corporations. Now, I'm no fan of corporations, but they are better than a drug cartel. To suggest that legalising drugs would bring more problems completely ignores all the evidence and research that surrounds this issue. It is, quite simply, an argument that can only be supported by vested interests or those who wish to legislate other peoples' morality. It's like prostitution; legalise it and the vast majority of problems associated with it go away. Our hookers are unionised and work in safe, secure surrounds, do you think they have the problems with pimps that illegal hookers have? Also, given that our hookers tend to be in brothels and not on the streets, who do you think has the worse social problems?

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Date: 3/6/11 03:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harry-beast.livejournal.com
Legalizing drugs may be sound policy, but it's bad politics. Much like reducing the deficit, it's a good idea but there is a irrational resistance to it among influential segments of society. Maybe in a couple of decades, after more billions are wasted, more lives are ruined and more communities are torn apart, it will come to pass.

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