[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Given that the "War on Drugs" appears to the rest of the world to be lost:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13624303 

I wonder what would make the US finally give it up as a lost cause?

Is it that there is just too much invested in the "War" for the US powers-that-be to relinquish one of its sacred cows? Or given the CIA's historic role in Latin America, and in various "drugs for weapons" and "drugs for freedom" operations world-wide (TM Oliver North, Taliban insurgency, et al) would liberalising the drugs laws run counter to US interests?

My own opinion is that we should legalise immediately. But I may just be an old hippie.

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Date: 2/6/11 18:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
I fail to see what doctors/pharma gains from banning them

Let's take medical marijuana, for example. It has numerous benefits for cancer patients, and it's all-natural... anyone can grow it for almost nothing. How do you think it would affect the bottom line of pharmaceutical manufacturers who make drugs with similar effects if it were to be legalized?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/23/dea-to-legalize-marijuana-only-for-big-pharma-group-claims/

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Date: 2/6/11 18:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Well, the DEA action in that post is actually to increase the availability of synthetic THC (http://www.fdalawblog.net/fda_law_blog_hyman_phelps/2010/11/redefining-dronabinol-part-deux.html) by allowing more formulations and generics other than the single approved formula. It's certainly hypocritical, but the Big Pharma conspiracy is difficult to pinpoint. Part of the problem is that the DEA's hands are tied by Congress. It can argue the eight statutory factors for Schedule certification all it likes, but pot possession and distribution has a clear statutory bar in 21 U.S.C. 841(b).

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Date: 2/6/11 19:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Are you at least willing to concede that Big Pharma has something to lose if certain drugs were legalized? :P

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Date: 2/6/11 19:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
In a single product, yeah. I don't think that it can be the sole or even largest (even as a plurality) cause of the drug war or continued prohibition.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
That was never my assertion, nor the question in the OP.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
The way you phrased it certainly made it sound like corporate interest was the only thing standing in the way of ending the drug war.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
It was a jab at corporations and their influence in Congress. It wasn't my intention to write a dissertation on the vast complexities of the drug war in 15 words or less.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
Ah well, see the internet is terrible at translating much beyond what is explicitly presented.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
So what was your assertion? "There's a small benefit to drug producers from a single plant remaining banned. This is probably irrelevant since it's a marginal issue, but I wanted to mention it for no reason."?

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Date: 2/6/11 19:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
I think you're being deliberately obtuse now.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
It's not like marijuana is the only natural alternative to pharmaceuticals available as treatments for other ailments. Alternatives which have not been made illegal, or attempted to make illegal.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
My point is then if the stated goal is what is being claimed, and it supposedly worked for them in the case of marijuana, why not apply it elsewhere?

The way corporate interests usually benefit from collusion is in regulation of legal consumption. Being able to afford the hoops one needs to jump through to get the government's seal of approval when your potential competition can't.

You can make more money by expanding your market base by bringing down the cost of a type of product while being able to claim yours is "government certified" than you can by trying to protect a higher priced alternative through an outright ban, and limiting your client base.

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