[identity profile] johnny9fingers.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Given that the "War on Drugs" appears to the rest of the world to be lost:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13624303 

I wonder what would make the US finally give it up as a lost cause?

Is it that there is just too much invested in the "War" for the US powers-that-be to relinquish one of its sacred cows? Or given the CIA's historic role in Latin America, and in various "drugs for weapons" and "drugs for freedom" operations world-wide (TM Oliver North, Taliban insurgency, et al) would liberalising the drugs laws run counter to US interests?

My own opinion is that we should legalise immediately. But I may just be an old hippie.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
You keep making these assertions, but not backing them up. I asked you what interests are served. Generally that involves an identification of who has the interest. Just saying "there's gold in them thar hills" is hardly a statement about who owns the hills.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
http://truthaboutcannabis.org/opponents

Somehow I don't think that's good enough for you, though.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
See, that's an actual response. I'm not 100% certain that I agree with every element, but it answers the question, rather than simply stating that there's money in it, but not whose money, or what competitive interests are served by criminalization.

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Date: 2/6/11 20:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
I like how the site couches its claims in terms of likelihood.

Look, I agree with the goal of ending the drug war, but I'm skeptical of even the advocacy groups whose goals align with mine.

And mind you, I'm not saying that there aren't those who stand to benefit from the status quo, but as long as we're talking likelihoods, there is also an likely incentive to make lots of money in a legal drug market, so until we leave the realm of likelihoods and enter the realm of paper trails, then we're all just blowing smoke up our asses. The only ones who will certainly lose out are the cartels and dealers because they're not accustomed to having to work inside a legit market instead of outside of it. Everyone else can expect to continue making money in a new market the same as they did with other markets.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
I don't feel like sharing which interests, I think are served.

If only because of a personal dislike towards the mistaken notion that everything and anything in this world is required to be simplified and stated in such a way as to allow anyone to understand it.

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Date: 2/6/11 19:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
So, again, you want to make an assertion and have us take it seriously while providing no evidence for the assertion whatsoever.

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Date: 2/6/11 20:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
I'm not obligated to prove anything. :T

Neither is anyone else.

The "evidence" witch hunts so many presume to partake in are soo lame. Walking around demanding evidence for social issues which are not empirical enough to merit a "proof" context, thinking people in this world are obligated to explain things.

If people were obligated to provide anything borderline educational or informative there wouldn't be so many bad, horrendously misguided, views on practically every topic imaginable. And, US politics wouldn't be such a joke.

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Date: 2/6/11 21:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
You are obligated to provide either evidence (if you're making an empirical claim) or reasoning (if you're making a logical claim) to support your views if you want anyone to take you seriously, or your argument to be valid, and not merely an instance of begging the question - which is a fallacy for a reason.

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Date: 2/6/11 21:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
Nope, nope, nope. All wrong.

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Date: 2/6/11 21:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
I suppose asking you to support this contention that I'm "all wrong" would be my own intellectual laziness, too, right?

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Date: 2/6/11 21:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
Well, it would be worth it if only people realized they're not entitled to answers in this world and began to question some of the things they believe in without evidence.

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Date: 2/6/11 21:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
See, but you want us to believe in you without evidence. So your argument is... that we shouldn't listen to you?

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Date: 2/6/11 22:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
I'm not asking you to believe anything.

Only attempting to dispel the notion that there is some entitlement service in effect which compels people to disclose all answers.

No one really says everything they know. Information is valuable. If you think political pundits or anyone who offers analysis on a topic is unbiased, then its possible ur rong.

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Date: 2/6/11 20:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
Image (http://s744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/drewishdrewid/Macros/?action=view&current=1271965956849.gif)

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Date: 2/6/11 20:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] root-fu.livejournal.com
Hahaha. I wish I had a gif of 50 cent stacking millions in the trunk of his ferrari to retort. Maybe, I'll make one later.

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