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Teri Adams, Head of Independence Hall Tea Party and School Voucher Activist:

Our ultimate goal is to shut down public schools and have private schools only, eventually returning responsibility for payment to parents and private charities. It’s going to happen piecemeal and not overnight. It took us years to get into this mess and it’s going to take years to get out of it.



In other words, Adams would like education to be, along with medical care, available only to those who can pony up the cash for it.

The article I’ve linked to includes a few quotes from people speculating about what drives the American right’s hostility towards public education. The ban on teacher-led prayer is invoked, along with the mercenary desire to funnel the money now paid into public schools into private hands.

I suspect it’s much more simple than that. Without universal education, the far right wouldn’t have to contend with so many pesky arguments about the facts of history, math, science, etc.

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

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If you're serious...

Date: 16/7/11 21:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foreverbeach.livejournal.com
This excerpt is taken from Charles' book, Dumbing Down Our Kids: Why America's Children Feel Good About Themselves but Can't Read, Write, or Add

While critics tend to rely on the three-decades long decline of the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) to document the dumbing down of American education, more alarming is our performance against the students of other industrialized countries. By virtually every measure of achievement, American students lag far behind their counterparts in both Asia and Europe, especially in math and science. Moreover, the evidence suggests that they are falling farther and farther behind. As educational researcher Harold Stevenson notes, although "the U.S. is among the countries expending the highest proportion of their gross national product on education, our elementary school and secondary school students never place above the median in comparative studies of academic achievement."

Part of the reason is that neither our schools nor our students spend very much time at it. The National Education Commission on Time and Learning found that most American students spend less than half their day actually studying academic subjects. The commission's two-year study found that American students spent only about 41 percent of the school day on basic academics. Their schedules jammed with course work in self-esteem, personal safety, AIDS education, family life, consumer training, driver's ed, holistic health, and gym, the typical American high school student spends only 1,460 hours on subjects like math, science, and history during their four years in high schools. Meanwhile, their counterparts in Japan will spend 3,170 hours on basic subjects, students in France will spend 3,280 on academics, while students in Germany will spend 3,528 hours studying such subjects - nearly three times the hours devoted in American schools.

By some estimates, teachers in Japan give elementary students three times as much homework as American children are given by their teachers, while teachers in Taipei give their students seven times as much homework as children in Minneapolis. By fifth grade, children in Minneapolis are getting slightly more than four hours a week in homework, while fifth graders in Japan get six hours and students in Taipei, thirteen hours.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0312134746/foundatfortruthi

Re: If you're serious...

Date: 16/7/11 21:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foreverbeach.livejournal.com
http://ezinearticles.com/?Functional-Illiteracy---Its-Shocking-Extent-and-Seriousness---Its-Proven-Solution&id=3892355

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/literacy/functional-illiteracy-and-literacy-problems-america

The U.S. Department of Education (USDOE) estimates that functional illiteracy affects 24 million Americans. Educator Chester E. Finn, Jr. states, “Just five percent of seventeen-year-old high school students can read well enough to understand and use information found in technical materials, literary essays, and historical documents. Barely six percent of them can solve multi-step math problems and use basic algebra." ("A Nation Still At Risk," Chester Finn, May 1989, p. 18). http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/aug/article321.html

The USDOE estimates 40 million Americans 16 years of age and older possess what are called “Level 1” reading and writing skills. This means they can sign their name, but can't understand such basics as the instructions for programming a VCR, reading a map, or accurately fill out an application for a Social Security card.

Re: If you're serious...

Date: 16/7/11 22:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foreverbeach.livejournal.com
Do you think private school students are making up a significant percentage of the illiterates? Think about what that would mean. Their parents could send them to public schools "for free" (no extra out-of-pocket tuition expenses) but instead choose to pay tuition in addition to the taxes which fund public schools... and their kids have nothing extra to show for it. Somehow, I doubt that's the case.

Re: If you're serious...

Date: 16/7/11 22:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foreverbeach.livejournal.com
Absolutely. There's no doubt at all that it would.

Re: If you're serious...

Date: 16/7/11 22:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
I'd be interested in learning how many of those are made up from students from poor areas. The ones who would be left even further behind if schools were all privatized.

Re: If you're serious...

Date: 17/7/11 02:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com

From your third link:

Indications are that increases in adult illiteracy are cyclical. In the 1800s a large segment of the U.S. population was illiterate, particularly in the south where slaves and poor whites were denied access to schooling. By the early part of the twentieth century, just 2.2 percent of the population was considered illiterate. After World War II “There was a similar need to "remediate" the basic skills of returning GIs. In their case, too, education had been ineffectual in their first journey through the schools.” (Curran and Takata). Now with the advent of new technologies and the influx of so many immigrants—many who had no formal education in their country of birth—we again see a spike in illiteracy rates.

We hit 2.2% right after public schools started outnumbering private ones, before things went downhill by WWII, presumably recovered, and then went downhill again recently. Which would suggest institutional reform is the solution, rather than gutting the public education system altogether.

Re: If you're serious...

Date: 16/7/11 21:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foreverbeach.livejournal.com
You had no idea it was so bad, did you? It is. No amount of spin can change that.
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Re: If you're serious...

Date: 16/7/11 22:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foreverbeach.livejournal.com
I wouldn't be so anti-American if Americans would stop trying murdering people all over the planet.

Re: If you're serious...

Date: 16/7/11 22:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com
Oh no, sometimes he makes sexist comments and offensive comments about the poor too. He's an equal opportunity offender when it comes to being offensive.

Re: If you're serious...

Date: 17/7/11 22:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com
By some estimates, teachers in Japan give elementary students three times as much homework as American children are given by their teachers, while teachers in Taipei give their students seven times as much homework as children in Minneapolis. By fifth grade, children in Minneapolis are getting slightly more than four hours a week in homework, while fifth graders in Japan get six hours and students in Taipei, thirteen hours.

Are the Japanese schools public or private?

Edited Date: 17/7/11 22:44 (UTC)

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