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talkpoliticsI'm kind of surprised that we haven't had a post about the Zimmerman trial over the last few weeks, but the jury enters its second day of deliberations today, first full day. We could, theoretically, have a ruling today on the case.
A few links for those who may not have been following closely. I will happily add any other recommended sites for daily analysis of the case if they're posted in the comments.
FROM THE RIGHT:
* Legal Insurrection.
FROM THE LEFT:
* TalkLeft.
A few links for those who may not have been following closely. I will happily add any other recommended sites for daily analysis of the case if they're posted in the comments.
FROM THE RIGHT:
* Legal Insurrection.
FROM THE LEFT:
* TalkLeft.
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Date: 13/7/13 14:41 (UTC)I wonder if we could get together a list of sources and agree on their bias, then use them as go-tos when we source. Hell, I'd even be interested in a discussion on what outlets are biased in what way.
I don't know enough about the case to comment other than to say that stand your ground laws are teh stoopids. If you have the alternative of escaping or killing, then the killing is a choice and is no longer a defensive action. In my opinion anyway, but we all know how well my opinion stands up against US gun values.
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Date: 13/7/13 14:47 (UTC)I wonder if we could get together a list of sources and agree on their bias, then use them as go-tos when we source. Hell, I'd even be interested in a discussion on what outlets are biased in what way.
Been on my long-term list for about a year and a half, lol.
I don't know enough about the case to comment other than to say that stand your ground laws are teh stoopids.
For what it's worth, stand your ground isn't at issue for this trial, for as much press as it got initially.
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Date: 13/7/13 15:52 (UTC)Because as Americans, we are constantly spoon fed partisan frames. We shit red or blue.
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Date: 13/7/13 15:59 (UTC)Perhaps we need to add "find neutral sources" to our list. Does anyone have problems with AP?
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Date: 13/7/13 19:15 (UTC)A lot of people didn't have any problem assuming it was the
whitehispanic guy's fault. And oddly enough, from Congress to this community, they were all on one side of the partisan spectrum.(no subject)
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Date: 13/7/13 15:45 (UTC)I bet on no riots...
But that kid is dead. No justice in any court with un-do that....
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Date: 13/7/13 15:59 (UTC)It just kind of bothers me that you can kill someone in this state, declare self-defense, and then the slaughtered victim has to prove themselves not guilty.
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Date: 13/7/13 16:27 (UTC)Is that right that there's only six? Is that normal?
All women, all middle aged or older and all but one white. I find that interesting... I wonder why it's so unrepresentative. I have a few guesses:
Women are less likely to be the primary bread winner, perhaps then less likely to try to get out of jury duty.
Middle-aged and older are more likely to be in stable, long term accommodation. It is my understanding this makes you more likely to get picked for jury duty.
Middle-aged, white women are probably the hardest to pick in terms of political or social attitudes, and therefore less likely to get challenged.
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Date: 13/7/13 16:33 (UTC)They've dismissed a few alternates, most notably this one (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/dismissed-zimmerman-juror-escorted-from-courthouse-after-trespassing/), but some points I've read suggests that a jury of this makeup will help the prosecution as they tried to position Martin as a child.
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Date: 13/7/13 19:33 (UTC)Did they make a case about what happened in between the end of the 911 call and the beginning of the confrontation?
Including the locations/distances of Zimmerman, Martin, and Martin's destination, and the amount of time he had to get home?
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Date: 13/7/13 19:35 (UTC)It's been a lot of he said/she said on that one, but the state witnesses, more often than not, ended up providing more evidence for Zimmerman's side than Martin's.
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Date: 13/7/13 20:58 (UTC)You don't make anyone look innocent. Let me just say that I don't care about Martin's deposition or weather he was an angel or a thug. In this country that shouldn't matter, we all have the right to life. What's relevant is weather or not Martin has put Zimmerman's life in danger. If a black teenager deserves to die because he's perceived as some punk kid, then what does that mean? Is it open season on punk kids? I dare say that the death of a kid, even a punk kid, is a terrible waste of a life.
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Date: 14/7/13 02:09 (UTC)We're pretty easy to manipulate in this regard.
I've seen a good video on this before, but I can't find it.
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Date: 14/7/13 03:09 (UTC)I'm gonna go watch TV shows!
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