[identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I understand that the moderators don't like to delete posts in this community, fair enough.  I'd like to make a simple suggestion; why don't we all contribute to quality control by making a more concerted effort to stop feeding the trolls?  You know the argument.  If people stopped responding to posts made solely with the intent to inflame, the motivation for making these posts would be removed.  People who wanted to trigger discussion would have to posit something sensible and cogent rather than just something inflammatory, the quality of posts increases and almost everyone, except the troll(s), is happier. 

(Sorry to spam the list with this, but in my defense, I think it's more relevant to members of the community than many of the things recently posted.)

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Date: 13/4/09 17:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
I'd lie if i said i didnt expect you to make the proposal ;)

Seriously though. I second the proposal.

Meanwhile, the trolls will keep being shot on spot.


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LILITH ([profile] perfecthamburge) wrote in [community profile] talk_politics,

the word -Troll- is specific to European mythology, using it disparagingly is RACIST

use the word PESTER

such as -the moderator of this community is a PESTER and a punk-

saying -ban the troll- is just like -ban the jew- or -ban the nigger-


now, would you racist PESTERS knock it off?

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Date: 13/4/09 17:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Oh come on. I was just quoting a post that this troll made a few minutes ago. Of course you can use the word 'troll', especially when it comes to exactly this - trolling.

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Date: 13/4/09 17:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com
Personally I'd rather just delete the post and ban the user but I gave him a chance. Anyway he's gone until he makes some other account. I wish we could ban IPs.

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Date: 13/4/09 17:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
They'll run out of accounts sooner or later ;)

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Date: 13/4/09 17:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com
He racks them up and we'll knock 'em down, fine by me.

BTW next time he spams please lock it down instead of deleting it. We may be able to get him banned from LJ if we can provide enough proof. I'm glad we log IP addresses.

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For the record:

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Date: 13/4/09 18:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Do I respond to this or not? I'm so UNSURE! D:

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Date: 13/4/09 18:49 (UTC)

In his defense...

Date: 13/4/09 19:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] verytwistedmind.livejournal.com
I like kinvore posts.... I don't think he should blocked.

That is who this is about right?

Re: In his defense...

Date: 13/4/09 19:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] kinvore or [livejournal.com profile] hunterkirk? I can hardly tell them apart. I think it's really just one person with two accounts.

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Re: In his defense...

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;)

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Re: ;)

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Date: 13/4/09 19:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Elevating the level of discussion should be the paramount pursuit.

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Date: 13/4/09 19:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rumorsofwar.livejournal.com
I like to think that I see the best in people, but I think it's in our nature to want to reply to trolls. We don't have to "feed" them by taking them seriously, but it's still damn good fun to make jokes.

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Date: 13/4/09 20:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
We should make the distinction between spammer trolls (http://community.livejournal.com/talk_politics/93223.html) and smart trolls who are actually intelligent enough to maintain (http://community.livejournal.com/talk_politics/92288.html) a reasonable (http://community.livejournal.com/talk_politics/92445.html) discussion (http://community.livejournal.com/talk_politics/93072.html), instead of just flooding (http://abomvubuso.livejournal.com/380796.html) with nonsense (http://community.livejournal.com/talk_politics/93223.html?thread=4910631#t4910631).

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Date: 13/4/09 21:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com
No need to apologise. Your proposal makes a lot of sense. I used to think the same way before but then I realised that it would not work. The best way to deal with the trolls and spammers is to uproot them as soon as they appear to avoid further complications.

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Date: 13/4/09 21:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypolitik.livejournal.com
I think it makes far more logistic sense to simply have moderators reject bullshit submissions.

A standard of quality has to be initially imposed before members adopt it.

Think about it, seriously: the energy once invested into preparing deliberately incendiary submissions wont be worth spending if the outcome cant be published. It compels members to use their energy wisely, and take political debate seriously.
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Date: 13/4/09 21:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] new-wave-witch.livejournal.com
fuck. what'd i miss?

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Date: 13/4/09 23:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paris-of-priam.livejournal.com
Unless some things have been deleted, I haven't seen any real, professional-strength trolls in this community. And, unless it's a problem of people not putting really long posts under cuts, I don't see any problem with just scrolling past the things I'm not interested in responding to. :)

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Date: 14/4/09 11:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com
Also we wouldn't mind if they occasionally write their own opinions at the end of the enormous copy-pasted articles they're putting. Just a line or two, maybe. Otherwise we wouldn't know what to comment on. Cos we're dumb, you know...

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Date: 14/4/09 01:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pitbullgirl65.livejournal.com
How about not letting trolls post such as [livejournal.com profile] karmiii?

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