[identity profile] stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
The Affordable Care Act, commonly dubbed Obamacare, turned 1 year old last week.  The confusion over this law has gone from 55% to 53% in that year's time.  There has been a lot of discussion surrounding the law, but not a lot of information about it.  There has been mischaracterizations about it with monikers such as "Death Panels" and "Government Run Healthcare".  There are claims that the government, as opposed to insurance companies, come between you and your doctor.  There has been attempts to adjudicate from the floor of Congress by declaring the law unconstitutional before the Supreme Court has had an opportunity to rule on it; and calling for its repeal.  Some claim that the law has gone too far; and others, like consumer activist Ralph Nader, who claims it didn't go far enough.

Nancy Pelosi stated "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”.  The statement seemed pretty ridiculous at the time, but considering the ongoing confusion, the discussion seems to have been about the ideology surrounding it and very little about the substance of the law itself.

Many Americans count on Consumer Report reviews of products before making a market decision.  Many find the Consumer Reports review to be the final and determining factor in some of their biggest buying decisions.  This is what Consumer Reports had to say about the Health Care law.  Interestingly enough, they also include a descriptive PDF download that includes the features in plain English.

What do you think it would take for America to have a discussion about what the Affordable Care Act is and away from personal opinion of what it should be?

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Date: 29/3/11 12:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlc20thmaine.livejournal.com
So far, the more people find out about obamacare and the lies behind it, the more people hate it. WHat I want to know is ehy the media is not doing any of their in depth reporting about this law or that so many companies and organizations have received waivers.

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Date: 29/3/11 13:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
WHat I want to know is ehy the media is not doing any of their in depth reporting about this law or that so many companies and organizations have received waivers.

They aren't? Wow. There seems to be many, many recent AND older news on the subject. (http://www.google.com/search?q=obamacare+waiverts&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbs=nws:1&sa=X&ei=vNuRTYXWMuaU0QG-0vnMBw&ved=0CCEQBSgA&q=obamacare+waivers&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=be592e69a3582513"") How did you miss those? I guess you weren't paying a lot of attention to the news...

Anyway, if you want 'in depth' information, there have been plenty of news articles written on the subject. Complete with exposes and insider information. Enjoy.

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Date: 29/3/11 14:04 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
What do you think it would take for America to have a discussion about what the Affordable Care Act is and away from personal opinion of what it should be?

Repeal.

And I'm dead serious when I say that as a matter of discussion, because the entire thing was passed in a rather poor way, to the point where even the people who were in support of it didn't quite know what was in what they were passing.

If we want those kinds of reforms, they need to be discussed piece by piece, not in an omnibus bill that covers too many issues and has too many things going on. Want to have a discussion about preexisting conditions? Sure, but let's have that discussion separate from the discussion on a public option. How many people in support of the bill wanted to see Health Savings Accounts (one of the better things the government has done for health care in recent times) go away?

Plus, a repeal and piece-by-piece discussion would do a great job of ending the debate as to whether the parts were truly more popular than the whole. Much of the confusion and dislike of the bill is based on how it was passed, I think - the bad blood created by the process created a situation where misinformation and fearmongering on both sides of the coin assisted in the mess we've got now.

Good angle on this, by the way.

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Date: 29/3/11 15:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
"What do you think it would take for America to have a discussion..."

We could begin by not allowing people who say "death panels" to participate.

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Date: 29/3/11 16:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
Can we shut down the folks who say it'll lower the deficit, too, then? Or say you can keep your insurance, etc...

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Date: 30/3/11 00:55 (UTC)
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Oh, but you don't understand, end of life counseling means people in black with lightning-shaped shoulder tabs will be killing grandma any day now. That's what them black helicopters were, man, didn't you hear Glenn Beck about it when he played "I am the Walrus" backwards?

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Date: 29/3/11 17:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
Count me as one of the 55% confused - that plain English was never used to describe the act and I've heard more about Death Panels than the contents of the act. Except for the part where by 2014 I have to buy insurance from one of the same corrupt companies that offer me insanely overpriced insurance today. Which I choose to pass on.

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Date: 29/3/11 18:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] korean-guy-01.livejournal.com
It will always be a point of contention based on the way it was passed, popular opinion of it, the deception that took place to pass it, and the ignorance exhibited by Congressional leaders (both sides of the aisle) on its contents.

Repeal would go a long way in healing the wounds caused by it along with a public apology by O and Co. The American public, in general, would probably forgive him, and he'd make up ground with independents for 2012. Then both sides could actually pass what they agree on (no dishonest bipartisan meeting fiascos like O moderated last time). Actually let both sides have a voice and don't set dealbreakers.

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Date: 29/3/11 18:12 (UTC)
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Date: 29/3/11 18:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
When the Republicans apologize for lying us into the Iraq War on the basis of a con man like Chalabi then I might think that's a good idea.

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Date: 29/3/11 18:13 (UTC)
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The bill was a bad bill and it had the amazing phenomenon at the time of being hated by the Hannity Right and Maddow Left at the same time and still passed despite damn near everybody being against it. Stuff like that is why I think people underestimate Barack Obama as president.

As the bill currently is working, it's proven not to be the Yellow Brick Road or the start of the Apocalypse the way people predicted it to be. However the requirement to mandate health insurance for everyone and penalize the poor to me makes any statement that it's anti-corporation and "SOZIALIZT" (that is to say treating the poor as humans, not animals) seem kind of ironic.

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Date: 30/3/11 01:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
It was not unpopular if you were following public polls at the time.

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Date: 29/3/11 18:22 (UTC)
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The problem is that it is impossible to discuss what the bill is without also including what it should be in the discussion because so much of the bill's logic is based on pure assumptions and regulations which still have not been written.

Will it make insurance rates go up or down?
Will it increase or decrease Medicare Spending?
Can you keep your existing plan?
Will unaccountable bureaucrats step between you and your doctor to determine what treatments are available to you or not?

The answer to all of those questions is purely dependent on your assumptions and point of view.

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Date: 30/3/11 02:30 (UTC)
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Will unaccountable bureaucrats step between you and your doctor to determine what treatments are available to you or not?


They were already there.

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Date: 30/3/11 03:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com

Will it make insurance rates go up or down?


Depends on the insurance you have.

Will it increase or decrease Medicare Spending?

Increase.

Can you keep your existing plan?

Yes.

Will unaccountable bureaucrats step between you and your doctor to determine what treatments are available to you or not?

No.

Any further questions? I got all those answers from the available synopses.

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Date: 29/3/11 22:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
What do you think it would take for America to have a discussion about what the Affordable Care Act is and away from personal opinion of what it should be?

Hell freezing over? Pigs flying?

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Date: 30/3/11 00:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
People recognizing that End of Life counseling is not hiring Einsatzgruppen to shoot grandma in the back of the head and that reality TV stars are free to comment about politics but not to be considered serious figures?

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Date: 29/3/11 22:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
For the record, our company has updated our health coverage for the next fiscal year, and our costs have gone up (both premiums and co-pays), no surprise, and the benefits have gone down, no surprise, mostly due to Obamacare provisions, no surprise. Mandating no limit to lifetime benefits and keeping on children up to age 26 means higher premiums for all. The only "improvement" is that preventive care is free, which really just means that you can go see a doctor once or twice a year with no co-pay. Yippee, I save $25.

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Date: 30/3/11 01:36 (UTC)
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Are you going to go to the doctor?

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Date: 30/3/11 02:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
Implement national healthcare, take the responsibility of providing healthcare away from employers.

Boom. World is saved.

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Date: 30/3/11 22:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
What would it take? For people to stop lying about it. People on both sides lie, but as with violent rhetoric, the vast majority of the lies come from one of the sides.

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