[identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
Ok, so in another post that I have no desire to get involved with the "Social Contract" was brought up. To which someone noted that they did not consent to it and could not withdraw from it and predictably someone else came up with the standard reply of "So you don't like it, then Leave" and this is what I do want to get into because it is such a common refrain among progressives who believe in a strongly imposed "Social Contract"

So to digress for a second, when discussing things like minimum wage and other labor laws the same people tho say "If you don't like the Social Contract then Leave" will argue that a choice which results in an unsurvivable result is not a choice. That is the employer is inherently more powerful than the worker because if the worker chooses not to accept the terms of employment the the worker often starves ergo he doesn't actually have a choice and government must protect them from the employer.

So how do you reconcile the two arguments in your heads?

I mean it is not like someone who disagrees with the "Social Contract" actually has anywhere to go. There is no unincorporated land anywhere on the planet for them to move to and lets face it, all of the nation states have remarkably similar social contracts. There is literally nowhere for them to go meaning that by the same logic you apply to labor law they still haven't got a choice.

Essentially in order to be consistent you either have to accept that a choice where one of the options is impossible to live with is still a choice or begin to advocate the creation of a nation somewhere on the earth for those anti social souls who do not want to be part of your social contracts.

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Date: 28/3/11 02:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
I mean it is not like someone who disagrees with the "Social Contract" actually has anywhere to go. There is no unincorporated land anywhere on the planet for them to move to and lets face it, all of the nation states have remarkably similar social contracts. There is literally nowhere for them to go meaning that by the same logic you apply to labor law they still haven't got a choice.

*points south* Antarctica is that way. I believe there are some old whaling islands that you can claim. I understand that there's some structures still standing on them too.

begin to advocate the creation of a nation somewhere on the earth for those anti social souls who do not want to be part of your social contracts.

Oh, I don't need to advocate one. That's your problem. Heck, I'll even ship you down there and provide you with a tent, warm clothing, and six months of food so that you can get started. Enjoy your nation building!

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Date: 28/3/11 02:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Well, you can't really do Antarctica as any area that is not part of a country is under treaty to not be claimed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

I wish it weren't true sort of so people really could go live there. What, you don't like it because its frozen and lifeless? That's too bad, those other things are property why do you hate capitalism? I'd love to go live on the Mediterranean coast of France if I felt like it but unfortunately I don't have that sort of entitlement.

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Date: 28/3/11 03:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com
Except there's no real military to enforce it. Dump people there anyway, let them claim their own nation state. I can ensure that no one will give a damn.

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