[identity profile] jellomarx.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I'm torn about the President's Afghan policy. Do we support an obviously corrupt government, like we did in Vietnam? Do we allow a nation that will be built on drug trafficing to grow? Has history shown us that no outside nation can win a war in that region? Do we abandon them, like we did in the 80s and earlier in this decade? IF so are we somewhat responsible for the abuses that the women of the region will again have to face? Do those of us who chose not to fight, have a right to ask young men and women to fight for us? I think when listening to the speech, that we should remember that there is no good answer.

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Date: 1/12/09 19:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Actually, history told us that for centuries people dreamed of flight, and it was never that people thought it was impossible, the debate was between powered v. non-powered flight. And history, too, records that in Renaissance-era Italy Leonardo Da Vinci had designs for a workable ornithopter.

Now, skeptics did say people couldn't fly, yes. But history did not say that.

That's what analogies are for.

Date: 1/12/09 20:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com
If we accept that history says it's impossible to win in Afghanistan, that it is and will always be where empires go to die, as claimed by the OP, then we have to accept that the same claim was true based on similar evidence for manned flight - up until the point where evidence proved otherwise.

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Date: 1/12/09 21:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
As far as I've heard, his ornithopter functioned but would not fly.

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Date: 1/12/09 21:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
From what I've seen/read it was different, but either way, it was still a functional flying machine in the age when gunpowder was revolutionary.

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