President Obama's speech
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talkpoliticsI'm torn about the President's Afghan policy. Do we support an obviously corrupt government, like we did in Vietnam? Do we allow a nation that will be built on drug trafficing to grow? Has history shown us that no outside nation can win a war in that region? Do we abandon them, like we did in the 80s and earlier in this decade? IF so are we somewhat responsible for the abuses that the women of the region will again have to face? Do those of us who chose not to fight, have a right to ask young men and women to fight for us? I think when listening to the speech, that we should remember that there is no good answer.
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Date: 1/12/09 16:58 (UTC)If we leave that will definitely be the result, plus much, much worse.
No. The British after defeating the Afghans in the Second Afghan War established a strong Afghanistan that was successful and served British interests, even after Afghan independence in 1929, Afghanistan was a stable, self sufficient and relatively progressive country. It is popular and easy to portray Afghanistan as a perpetual and everlasting cluster fuck. This is not the case. Until the 1980's, Afghanistan was a pretty stable, friendly place. Ask all the hippies who trekked through on their way to Kashmir.
No. The Afghans believe (with some justification) that this will be the result. We must work hard not to live down to their expectations if we want to succeed.
Yes, we will be, and for much worse.
Since it is a volunteer force, yes we do.
There is no easy answer, that isn't the same thing as no good answer.
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Date: 1/12/09 17:19 (UTC)Afghanistan is a murky situation without any good solutions and a shitload of possible bad ones. And even worse, precious few ways to change any of those options.
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Date: 1/12/09 17:55 (UTC)What have we learned to make us believe that we'd be suggesful, in the long term, int this region?
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Date: 1/12/09 19:36 (UTC)Now, skeptics did say people couldn't fly, yes. But history did not say that.
That's what analogies are for.
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Date: 1/12/09 22:18 (UTC)Work for the CIA and ISI
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