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I've often heard from the right, and a few in betweens, that Biden is a sex predator. I challenge that narrative. A few women have accused him of uncomfortable touching. In the #metoo era this is a thing. I don't doubt their discomfort, but Biden is an overly affectionate person, and it doesn't strike me as authentic to accuse him of sexual misconduct. On such charges, alone. Biden has come forward and stated that he gets it, and promises to abstain from such in the future.

The tape of Biden and the young girl is clever editing, slo mo and all that, but if you review the original in its actual tempo and in the full context, it's just Joe being affectionate. That's who he is, and there is zero evidence of anything else. There are no less than 25 serious charges of sexual misconduct against Trump, and those who are trying to target Biden on "uncomfortable touching" and ignore Trump's vastly more serious, in quantity and degree, abundance of sexual assault accusations, well, this is hypocrisy, I do not know what else to call it. As to Tara Reade, her credibility is of concern, to wit:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001

In the 1990s, Biden worked to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade retweeted or “liked” praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: “My old boss speaks truth. Listen.” It is bizarre that Reade would publicly laud Biden for combating the very thing she would later accuse him of doing to her.

The above, and numerous other very credible discrepancies in Reade's allegations, plus the fact that a real predator cannot help himself, there would be many more than this (Trump, again, has 25 accusers, accusing him of the very thing we have him on tape bragging about), so I'm not buying this narrative the right is trying to push on Biden. Interestingly enough, neither is the President, for he doesn't want this kind of light to be shone back at him, and back at him it will be shone, if the right continues to push this narrative, which I believe is a false one, because the allegations against Trump are very believable. (And mind you, I did believe the women who accused Bill Clinton) - and Trump knows it.

Fire away, an we shall meet at the polls in November.

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Date: 5/5/20 23:30 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
I wouldn't consider him a sex predator based off allegations, I think the point most are trying to make is there is an obvious double standard based on how much attention is given to this compared to Kavanaugh/Ford.

It's clear that the #metoo movement wasnt a movement at all. Movement implies progression and improvement. Seeing as we're still deciding to believe/disbelieve sexual assault allegations based on party/social status/political ramifications - I'd say we're right where we started.

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Date: 6/5/20 06:52 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kiaa
I'm reminded of yesterday's post here, the one about the alternative opinions on the Covid pandemic. It was mentioned that some of those protesting against the lock-down are probably bought by special interest. Would you say some among the #metoo movement are no movement at all, because they're bought by special interest, possibly aiming to hurt some politicians and celebrities?

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Date: 6/5/20 11:57 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
Being paid to make noise could explain those making noise, but what about the quiet ones? This elephant has been in the room for over two months now,

'Believe all women' was a ridiculous standard to begin with, it was obvious how the right would turn it around whenever there was an allegation against a prominent democrat. Unethical? Sure, but the dems opened that door.

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Date: 6/5/20 13:30 (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mikeyxw
I'm not so sure that really matters. Rosa Parks was a staff member of the NAACP, I don't see how this diminishes what she did at all.

This is a lot more about weaknesses in the movement itself. One of the points in the USAToday article listed was that the gaps in Mrs. Reade's memory made it impossible for Mr. Biden to defend himself against the charges, much like in Mrs. Ford's accusations. There have been other movements throughout history that relied on the inability of the accused to defend themselves, none have aged well.

Eyewitness testimony is the worst kind of evidence there is, but it's been given a kind of mythical status in these cases that it doesn't deserve. Even those disputing Mrs. Reade's accounts usually add in that they believe all women before detailing why they don't believe her.

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