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Republicans Want a White Republic. They'll Destroy America to Get It

Let me disagree with this author. The GOP's quest for a white America isn't one that "might" "accidentally" destroy America to get what they want. No, their quest for a white America is deliberately intended to destroy America as it exists.

This is the descendants of the Confederacy coming back to get their revenge, to destroy the Union once and for all, then return to the absolute height of white supremacy.

If the GOP gets what they want, there are a lot of minority "conservatives" who are going to be shocked at what that means for them.

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Date: 21/7/19 21:03 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
And they'll destroy Canada into the bargain, so as to add to the land base for that unholy project.

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Date: 21/7/19 22:19 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] garote
There was a lot of hyperbole in this country during my fathers time - and there is still some of it in my time - about how dark-skinned people wanted to insinuate their way into the states specifically so they could marry - or just rape - the luscious white women they so obviously coveted, and thereby turn the skin of ensuing generations progressively more and more brown, destroying America in the process. It was their plan, clearly, and they had secret meetings where they all declared it so and drew their plans against us.

It doesn’t even take much of a squint to see the above hyperbole as related to this, just with the roles and parties reversed.

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Date: 22/7/19 18:27 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
The more I think it over, the more I think such people making those accusations were - and probably still are - projecting their ambitions onto the people they accused. And so, they accused in order to remove perceived competition in that arena of crime.

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Date: 22/7/19 09:00 (UTC)
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I don't think that all Republicans, or even a majority of them, want to split the US.

There is a significant grouping on the far-right with that sort of agenda, and they are trying to drag the GOP with them, but I'm not so sure it will run with ordinary Republicans. IMO it's a bit of an outlier; and the journalist, though listing all the changes the Republicans have managed to do correctly, draws a non-linear conclusion. The GOP want America undivided under the GOP. Trump and the right are at present tools; but demographic changes mean that gerrymandering may no longer be sufficient.

So I agree with your conclusion: "If the GOP gets what they want, there are a lot of minority "conservatives" who are going to be shocked at what that means for them."

The "White Homeland" or NorthWest Territorial Imperative idea has been around since the '70's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Territorial_Imperative

and has drifted in and out of fashion for some time. These ideas have been around for a long time. The present changes in fortune for the far-right are dependent on organisation, the internet, and international co-operation (oh the irony!). And most of this resurgence can be laid at Bannon's door, so unless Bannon and Fox opt for a sundering of the US I can't see it flying. If Bannon has managed to groom a successor who has the same organisational and strategic genius as himself, he'll still have to get the co-operation of the various factions on the far-right. Unless there is a definite chain-of-succession, when Bannon goes, ambition will out and chaos may ensue.

The one thing I'm continually surprised by is why Uncle Vlad hasn't deleted Steve Bannon. Big bosses don't like rivals. Well, that is unless Bannon plays a massively inferior game of chess to Uncle Vlad, which I can't see from the evidence; but chess is a specific thing, and Vlad is remarkably good at it. But in politics, Bannon may well be a grandmaster. So at a guess when Bannon comes out hinting or dog-whistle-supporting a split-up of the US I think that's the canary in the mine, so to speak.

Speaking of villains

Date: 22/7/19 18:31 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Aleksandr Dugin was whispering in both Bannon and Putin's ears, though...and I'm thinking that guy wants to be a "fuhrer" without running the same risks that Hitler did. Not actually holding an actual position in any nation's political hierarchy is a good way to evade that, right?

Re: Speaking of villains

Date: 22/7/19 22:05 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] johnny9fingers
Advisor is always a good title to have. Independent advisor is even better. And as has been mentioned, no-one is ever truly independent.

But even so, surely someone will tie Dugin’s shoelaces together or fill his trousers with custard. He’s too much of a clown to be taken seriously, isn’t he? I don’t follow some of the more peripheral players closely, even if they are theoretically influential, as proximity often infects. I’m often happier analysing abstract data.

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Date: 22/7/19 13:57 (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mikeyxw
There are certainly some white supremacists that support Trump, and he's certainly their candidate in a way no other national figure has been in decades. I'm still not buying that's what is going to get him re-elected, if it indeed happens. If you look at polls about his performance by issue, he's doing well on the economy, unemployment, and national defense and not doing well on issues like immigration, race relations, and corruption in government. This is pretty much the opposite of what you'd expect if his support is coming from people trying to set up some kind of neo-Confederacy. You can certainly criticize those who are willing to overlook Trump's racism because they think he'll deliver a growing economy and low taxes, but calling them white supremacists is taking a small portion of his supporters and using a broad brush. It's also not likely to be a winning strategy.

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Date: 22/7/19 17:40 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] peristaltor
I'm joining the skeptical commenters: Trump is (for me) first and foremost best understood as an opportunist, as are the ultra-wealthy who funded his candidacy and election.

Propping up (for one example) 2nd Amendment Absolutists guarantees many liberals who have and wish to keep guns will be too frightened of losing them to every vote Dem. I know quite a few gun owners who fit that description, sadly. They would likely vote farther left, if….

All of the strategies listed in that article do prop up racism, yes. Why could be further racism, or simple strategic alignment to segregate the electorate against allowing non-wealth-supporting legislators in office.

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Date: 24/7/19 07:38 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] johnny9fingers
Another thing of interest here is that many of the alt-right elements in the GOP are pushing the "ethnopluralism" (apartheid) model rather than for the destruction of the US and the establishment of the Northwest Territorial Imperative.

It's all slightly mad, obvs. As is the 14 words etc. Genetics really explodes most of the C18th and C19th racial ideas which this stuff was predicated on, and these antediluvian ideas are getting towards "Flat-Earth" territory of thinking in their outmoded modelling of observable data.

But it appears that, at least for some folk, some ideas are so difficult to let go. Shame and all that.
Edited Date: 24/7/19 07:42 (UTC)

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