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talkpoliticsOne year ago today - one man in Las Vegas killed 58 people, and injured 851 more.
He had no help. He had no motive. He didn't leave a note. He didn't mail a video confession to the local news station, he didn't blog about it, he didn't mention it to anyone. With some help from the unknowing staff, he brought 22 suitcases (containing 24 guns) into his room - a fairly normal number I suppose - as it did not raise any suspicion among anyone. It took ten minutes to narrow down where the 1100+ rounds were coming from, and another hour and twelve minutes before his room was breached and he was found dead.
Who do you consider to be a crazy conspiracy theorist - someone who doesn't buy all that, or someone that does?
I wish there was some kind of job - nay, an entire profession full of people trained to look into stories - figure out the who, what, when, where, and why of events like this.
I'm not putting all the blame on an incompetent(or lying, or both) government/law enforcement, and a completely useless news media.
At the core, it's our fault. Maybe there's only so much room in our brains - each new thing we learn threatens to fill it up and bump an old fact out - so we're forced to choose between knowing what really happened in Vegas, and how many scoops of ice cream Donald Trump likes to have.
He had no help. He had no motive. He didn't leave a note. He didn't mail a video confession to the local news station, he didn't blog about it, he didn't mention it to anyone. With some help from the unknowing staff, he brought 22 suitcases (containing 24 guns) into his room - a fairly normal number I suppose - as it did not raise any suspicion among anyone. It took ten minutes to narrow down where the 1100+ rounds were coming from, and another hour and twelve minutes before his room was breached and he was found dead.
Who do you consider to be a crazy conspiracy theorist - someone who doesn't buy all that, or someone that does?
I wish there was some kind of job - nay, an entire profession full of people trained to look into stories - figure out the who, what, when, where, and why of events like this.
I'm not putting all the blame on an incompetent(or lying, or both) government/law enforcement, and a completely useless news media.
At the core, it's our fault. Maybe there's only so much room in our brains - each new thing we learn threatens to fill it up and bump an old fact out - so we're forced to choose between knowing what really happened in Vegas, and how many scoops of ice cream Donald Trump likes to have.
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Date: 2/10/18 06:49 (UTC)Or something.
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Date: 2/10/18 07:56 (UTC)Mall and School shootings are the price you pay for freedom. (Well one specific freedom - the one to have personal projectile weapons available at all times.)
Who knew that the US constitution demanded such potential sacrifices? And who thought such potential could be turned into actuality? Not the guys who drafted the Constitution, obviously.
The strength about a written constitution is the difficulty in changing things; it is also its weakness, as can be seen with Second amendment issues. The strength of Parliamentary sovereignty is it's easy to change things; it is also a weakness, especially after a plebiscite.
Maybe all polities get the fuck-ups they deserve.
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Date: 2/10/18 09:08 (UTC)Add in a population of 300-odd million, with all the variables of mindset and sanity such a large sample-set has, and add to it the various other aspects of the equation; it's not rocket science, because pinpoint accuracy isn't possible when dealing with such a chaotic concatenation between orders of magnitude from a single individual upwards to 300 million, but 300 million gives you access to some extreme parts of the sanity curve. I wonder what China or India's nutters will end up doing, but then I realise that China worked out a lot of this stuff two-thousand years ago, and in India, well, after the terrorist outrages, they seem to be pretty aware of the problems of universal gun ownership.
I'm just surprised there isn't some dark-web Thomas Cook-type thing booking expensive assisted-suicide-by-SWAT-team-after-a-multiple-shooting trips to the US so folk can really go out with a bang. (There's a short story in there somewhere.) Or maybe the market for that sort of tourism is strictly internal.
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Date: 3/10/18 06:43 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 3/10/18 06:42 (UTC)Granted there is some room in between, and that's what forums like this are all about.
So what do you recommend we should do?
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Date: 3/10/18 07:26 (UTC)And SCOTUS has been lost for the next two decades.
You have to change the mindset of the people first. People brought up on the sanctity, nay the holiness of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Cynically speaking it needs more massacres to do this. Or lots of instances of multiple-shooting tourism. And to be candid that's not a price worth paying either; but America is going to pay the price anyway, because it's the cost of the current interpretation of the Bill of Rights.
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Date: 3/10/18 08:11 (UTC)The way I see it, that's not the main issue anyway. I think there needs to be a cultural shift in the attitude towards gun ownership. Specifically handguns. And I think that shift is actually well underway.
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Date: 4/10/18 00:03 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 3/10/18 17:34 (UTC)Someone running for office in Nevada could probably pick up some votes by promising to re-open the investigation.
Nationally - it can't be a politician - we're too divided at the moment. The left thinks law enforcement can do no right, the right thinks they can do no wrong (the obvious truth is, they can do plenty of both), so you can either throw the baby out with the bath water or refuse to bathe it at all.
Journalists? Again, useless, until they prove otherwise - and they're going in the wrong direction.
I suppose Jason Aldean has a platform, and a connection to the event, and hasn't pissed off any factions that I know of (yet) - but insinuating that the government/law enforcement did a shit job is similar - if not worse - than calling a Republican President stupid - and we all know what that can do to a country music career.