[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
A gunman opened fire at a gay bar in Orlando, Florida late last night. As of writing this, there are reports of 50 dead so far with many more injured. The shooter has been identified as Omar Mateen, and reports as of right now suggest he may have been on some FBI terror watchlists and may have declared an allegiance or sympathies to ISIS, which would make this the most deadly terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11.

Consider this a consolidated open thread.

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Date: 14/6/16 19:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leo-sosnine.livejournal.com
I perfectly understand that for you any conservative is a liar, but still you now will have to prove that he lied. Plus, I supplied a link with criticisms as well on a pretty left resource and STILL according to their impression majority of mass-shootings happen in gun-free zones.

As for "evidence", your spread-sheet shows only two occasions of mass shootings that occurred in "Not Gun Free Zones". Do you even know what a "NOT gun free zone" means?

Yeah, please do explain this to me.

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Date: 14/6/16 19:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
You're the one who should be doing the explaining, not me. You're the one making the unsupported assertions.

for you any conservative is a liar

Another strawman.

I see. When you run out of arguments, all you've got is fallacious rhetorical tricks. You're not interested in a real debate. So why should I further waste even a minute of my time with this nonsense?

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Date: 15/6/16 18:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leo-sosnine.livejournal.com
I proved my point enough and you haven't suggested anything that would refute it. Majority of shootings happen in gun-free zones for a number of reasons and that is supported by statistical research. I still don't see where or how did you disprove it.

Still, looks like you were hinting at something in this phrase "As for "evidence", your spread-sheet shows only two occasions of mass shootings that occurred in "Not Gun Free Zones". Do you even know what a "NOT gun free zone" means?". Care to explain it?

And yeah, I'm talking straight here, no rhetorics. Unlike some others.

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Date: 15/6/16 19:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
"I'm talking straight here, ... Unlike some others." -- That is a 100% example of not talking straight, for the record.

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Date: 15/6/16 19:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
You proved nothing. You don't even seem to be sure if these stats matter at all, since you've just acknowledged that the gun control protocol in those zones isn't even among the most important factors. And then you say this is a pointless conversation? It isn't everyone else who took part in it that made it pointless. You did - by choosing the wrong premise in the first place. It took you a while to realize that, but better late than never.

If you thought you're talking straight, your last line just refuted that assertion.

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Date: 17/6/16 12:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leo-sosnine.livejournal.com
Realize what? It becomes more and more funny and stupid in some way. I stand by my claims and I don't see anyone here disproving that majority of mass shootings happen in gun-free zones and when they don't the number of victims is usually lower because of chances of gun-owner intervention.

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Date: 17/6/16 20:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com
You still haven't demonstrated a direct correlation between the number of victims and the gun control protocol in those zones. You obviously have no intention to do that, either.

This is a waste of time.

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Date: 14/6/16 20:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
How the hell did you arrive from "Dan Patrick of Texas is a Republican lieutenant governor, so you might think twice before citing him as an impartial source of analysis" to "for you any conservative is a liar"!?

Look, if you're going to derail the conversation, at least do some effort to pretend that you're doing it more subtly. Other people have been warned before against the continuous and deliberate use of strawman. Now you are, too. If you want a debate, have one. If you're just going to troll people, find some other place.
Edited Date: 14/6/16 20:03 (UTC)

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Date: 15/6/16 19:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leo-sosnine.livejournal.com
Using the power of induction, obviously.

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Date: 15/6/16 19:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Nope. That's a strawman. Do not do it again.

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