[identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
And here we've been obsessing over carbon footprints and plastic bags when when the true enemy of the enviroment was right under our noses.

Domestic cats, officially considered an invasive species, kill at least a hundred million birds in the US every year—dwarfing the number killed by wind turbines. They’re also responsible for at least 33 avian extinctions worldwide. A recent Smithsonian Institution study found that cats caused 79 percent of deaths of juvenile catbirds in the suburbs of Washington, DC. Bad news, since birds are key to protecting ecosystems from the stresses of climate change—a 2010 study found that they save plants from marauding insects that proliferate as the world warms.

Now as this is a "Fun" thread I'll leave the parsing of logical flaws, and general sillyness that is Mother Jones to the audience but it does confirm something I have always suspected, that "Crazy Cat Ladies" are Enemies of Man-kind.

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Date: 29/7/11 20:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Bah, he's just upset he can't get enough pussy.
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Date: 29/7/11 20:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Well, I figured that there's always a tail to tell.
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Date: 29/7/11 21:02 (UTC)

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Date: 30/7/11 04:55 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com
OK guys, quit pussyfooting around

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Date: 30/7/11 11:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Why you be categorizing what we do, huh?

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Date: 30/7/11 12:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
Because it may end up being catastrophic.

(Deep down, Somehow I think Mao is responsible)

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Date: 30/7/11 13:22 (UTC)

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Date: 30/7/11 15:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
That's a feline thing to say!

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Date: 29/7/11 21:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Just imagine the carnage of a wind turbine made of cats. If I had Photoshop at work, I'd be all over this.

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Date: 29/7/11 21:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com
Hey lets not forget that cats have used biological warfare to turn us into their slaves and make us act just like them...

http://www.lifesci.ucsb.edu/eemb/labs/kuris/pubs/Lafferty_05_BP.pdf

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Date: 29/7/11 21:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Just throwing these in here...

Exhibit 1 (http://pics.livejournal.com/kolarchive/pic/0008qk7e)
Exhibit 2 (http://pics.livejournal.com/kolarchive/pic/0008thxd)
Exhibit 3 (http://pics.livejournal.com/kolarchive/pic/0017z085)

*runs away screaming in terror*

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Date: 29/7/11 21:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
I spotted what you did there.
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Date: 30/7/11 14:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Call animal control? Are there any cat rescue services in your area that might take them?

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Date: 29/7/11 23:02 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brockulfsen.livejournal.com
In Australia they now have to be microchipped in most areas and there's a move to restrict them to the owners property. Many local government bodies will lend/rent cat traps and animal control will come and process any you catch. No chip, quick trip to the gas chamber.


Nasty creepy things cats.

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Date: 30/7/11 02:11 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
there's a move to restrict them to the owners property

Have you got any more info on this? This would be awesome.

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Date: 29/7/11 23:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
They also kill a lot of rats/mice. I'd call it a wash.

Re: Few cats...

Date: 30/7/11 12:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
Ours has caught two in the past two days. The first one it brought in to us.. The second it decided to eat on the porch.

And yet.. It gets on perfectly well and peacefully with our pet rats.

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Date: 30/7/11 23:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Animals can sense when another animal is a threat or not. The pet rats do not present the same "vibe" as the feral rats.

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Date: 30/7/11 14:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
My cat's mom did. When we finally caught her and the her six kittens, of which our cat is one, we found no fewer than four rat corpses in her den, picked clean.

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Date: 30/7/11 23:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
That's mighty fine handiwork. It is a good thing that the rats had not eaten poison before being caught by the cat.

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Date: 30/7/11 23:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com
Yeah, she was a badass cat. Unfortunately too feral to be adopted out, though. But her kittens adjusted quite well, despite being born on a pile of insulation and raised for the first six months in a shed with no human contact.

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Date: 30/7/11 23:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
The fact that she was feral explains why she could deal with rats. Domestic cats are usually too intimidated to take them on.

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Date: 30/7/11 07:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
I'm considering getting a free range snake to deal with rats and mice. At least they're supposed to be in the environment.

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Date: 30/7/11 22:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Who are you to say that cats aren't? Also, snakes don't eat as many, cats are more efficient killers.

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Date: 30/7/11 23:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
He's in Australia, where it's known that cats were introduced by European colonists.

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Date: 31/7/11 05:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
There's lots of ways animals get introduced to new environments, none of which affects whether they're "supposed to be" in that environment.

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Date: 31/7/11 15:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
When they're introduced by humans without consideration for the impact they will have on the environment, they are most definitely not supposed to be there.

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Date: 31/7/11 20:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
If humans really were supposed to be confined to subtropical climates, we'd be confined to subtropical climates. That we evolved the qualities needed to expand out of that environment would indicate that we were "supposed" to expand. Domestic cats, on the other hand, didn't expand naturally, they were transplanted by humans to places they would never have been able to reach on their own.

Cats have a natural range in North Africa and across Eurasia where they can survive without a problem. Their presence in Australia is not needed for their survival.
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Date: 1/8/11 21:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
It's not even really a case of assisted migration, of humans giving cats a hand in an expansion that was already underway. Cats weren't expanding, they got picked up and moved because they were useful to human agriculture.

It's also not a matter of difference in speed of expansion: cats aren't adapted to the jungles of SE Asia and Indonesia, which they'd have to cross to get to Australia, nor the bitter cold of Siberia, which they'd need to cross to get to the Americas. They would not have expanded at all without human intervention or having evolved so much that the colonizers would be a different species altogether.

Bad example: corn comes from the Americas, and it's actually a hybrid that can only survive and reproduce with human aid, i.e. it can't go feral (or whatever the term would be for plants).

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Date: 31/7/11 19:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
All of the methods that introduce new creatures to an environment by nature are also without consideration for the impact they will have on the environment, so that's a specious argument.

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Date: 31/7/11 20:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
Those natural methods don't transplant individual species to every major landmass and a host of islands within the space of just a couple centuries. By transplanting Eurasian animals to all corners of the globe we've driven large-scale extinctions of animals, reducing diversity everywhere — which is never a good thing.

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Date: 1/8/11 00:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
Actually, it is a bad thing. The more diverse a biosphere, the more likely that there will be something with the qualities needed to survive any sudden changes in environment.

To give an example of the dangers of shallow gene pools, the Tasmanian Devil is on track to becoming extinct by 2035 because the combination of culling, introduction of foxes, and road-kill have reduced its genetic diversity to the point that it's one of only three species susceptible to a transmissible cancer (Devil Facial Tumor Disease). Regular virus and bacterial infections are similarly more likely to reach pandemic levels when a species lacks genetic diversity. Fungal infections wiped out the Gros Michel banana cultivar — at one time the major banana cultivar — and its replacement, the Cavendish, is in danger of becoming agriculturally non-viable in a decade or two because a strain of that same fungus that the Cavendish isn't resistant to has finally emerged.

All of the domestic species lack diversity, despite what one might think from the huge range of variation in dogs breeds. If you then turn around and replace other species with these low-diversity groups worldwide, you set yourself up for massive hardship when something pops up that can wipe out the very plants and animals we're dependent on for food and pest control. Preserving indigenous species and working to develop strategies to domesticate them to increase the variety of our own agricultural toolset is a far better strategy than simply replacing everything in the Americas, sub-Saharan Africa, and Oceania with Eurasian transplants that only have a few thousand years' worth of diversity accumulated.

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Date: 29/7/11 23:57 (UTC)

CatBib?

Date: 30/7/11 00:42 (UTC)

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Date: 30/7/11 02:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
Oh it's not under my noise, it's in front of my eyes. I hate cats. I hate people who let their cats outside. I cannot believe that it is not socially acceptable to walk with your dog off the leash, yet it is A-OK to let your cat spend all night outside murdering things. Where I was living at the start of the year (Northern Territory) is some of the worlds last true remaining wilderness; two and a half times the size of Texas with a population of under 200 000. Yet the feral cats up there kill 100 000 native mammals a day.

What a fucking waste of food and oxygen these 'pets' are (I've lived with cats for the last 6 years now and I still haven't worked out the appeal).

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Date: 30/7/11 12:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
Our estate is surrounded by cyclone fencing, which I though was a bit damn weird at first because the tops were facing inwards. Turns out it was a very sensible action of Parks Victoria to keep domestic cats within the grounds and let the native animals frolic unmolested in neighbouring parkland.

(It's quite a menagerie at our place; five rats, three rabbits, two guinea pigs, a cat and a turtle)
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Date: 30/7/11 07:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
It should be legal to euthanise cats outside, after all that's why they're out there, to kill things.

This just in...

Date: 30/7/11 23:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I had a talk with a friend who learned that Golden Gate Park in San Francisco has cleaned out some intense feral cat population centers. As a result, a number of species are making a come-back in the park. It is the reason I was able to see quail there recently.

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