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They Could Always Go Work in Factories
Teri Adams, Head of Independence Hall Tea Party and School Voucher Activist:
Our ultimate goal is to shut down public schools and have private schools only, eventually returning responsibility for payment to parents and private charities. It’s going to happen piecemeal and not overnight. It took us years to get into this mess and it’s going to take years to get out of it.
In other words, Adams would like education to be, along with medical care, available only to those who can pony up the cash for it.
The article I’ve linked to includes a few quotes from people speculating about what drives the American right’s hostility towards public education. The ban on teacher-led prayer is invoked, along with the mercenary desire to funnel the money now paid into public schools into private hands.
I suspect it’s much more simple than that. Without universal education, the far right wouldn’t have to contend with so many pesky arguments about the facts of history, math, science, etc.
Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes
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Re: Public education is political indoctrination paid for by theft
We allow others to represent us because ordinary people do not have the time, energy, or education to properly manage the surrounding aspects that make up their day-to-day lives. This is a much better arrangement than leaving all these duties to private entities, because many systems require monopolies which leads to wholesale greed within private organizations, whereas public institutions are required to be transparent and carry a much harsher penalty for corruption. This is not true in all cases, but I've certainly not heard of the latest plumbing or roadwork scandal.
It's also possible to have private entities do this stuff, as long as it is heavily regulated to the point where it is impossible to exploit the clients which have no choice but to rely on them for that service. Where it is regulated to the point where it would be equivalent to a public service anyway. Very small incentives for corruption, very harsh penalties.
Society benefits much greater from laws that prevent exploitation and corruption than it does without. Greed and inflicting misery is human nature, like it or not, and there is an ironic study that states that some of the best leaders are also the worst people- that they have an inflated sense of ego and are motivated to exploit others for profit. For everyone under them, this is a great deal and they are likely to benefit, but for everyone else that person becomes someone who wants to get into their pockets and bank accounts. This is not true in all cases, in fact I won't even say most or half, but these people exist and they're self-serving to the point of criminal negligence.
Not to say that the best society is the most heavily regulated one, in fact many regulations in the US are highly beneficial to corporations as they enable government-mandated or incentivized monopolies to create huge entry barriers to competition. However, without regulation the same thing happens, as you can clearly see from Edison's destructive policies that forced Tesla into a paragraph of history, instead of a book like Edison. In fact, most corporate practices in the early 20th century, from robber barons to new industries, would cut out your eye if it would make them a quick buck. We do not want to return to those times.
So, could private enterprises run a cheaper (in net costs) and better education? Maybe, but it wouldn't be accessible to everyone. In the long run, an uneducated populace is highly detrimental to the growth of a country. Especially for America, who prides itself on its thinkers and innovators. Having a society of haves and have-nots is exactly the conditions that lead to a 3rd world nation.
Re: Public education is political indoctrination paid for by theft
Your second paragraph is full of fallacies amply refuted in economics. Also, per your third paragraph, if you seriously believe that "heavy regulation" makes it impossible for clients to be exploited then I have a bridge to sell you.
Society cannot exist without rules. Agreed. My differences with many of those on this forum is over how the rules or made, how they are enforced, and how the infrastructure of society is supported.
Apply the same argument people feeding themselves (http://montecristo.livejournal.com/63489.html) and it falls apart.
Re: Public education is political indoctrination paid for by theft
No it isn't.
Also, per your third paragraph, if you seriously believe that "heavy regulation" makes it impossible for clients to be exploited then I have a bridge to sell you.
Not impossible, but certainly harder. Maybe to the point where the costs and risks outweigh the benefits See: Germany's healthcare system. Or Japan's.
My differences with many of those on this forum is over how the rules or made, how they are enforced, and how the infrastructure of society is supported.
The legitimate options are: Public ownership, or regulated private ownership. Unregulated private ownership will never be on the table, for good reasons.
Apply the same argument people feeding themselves and it falls apart.
Private charities didn't cover education before and they won't after. They didn't cover social security before and they won't after.