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talkpolitics2011-07-16 10:14 am
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They Could Always Go Work in Factories
Teri Adams, Head of Independence Hall Tea Party and School Voucher Activist:
Our ultimate goal is to shut down public schools and have private schools only, eventually returning responsibility for payment to parents and private charities. It’s going to happen piecemeal and not overnight. It took us years to get into this mess and it’s going to take years to get out of it.
In other words, Adams would like education to be, along with medical care, available only to those who can pony up the cash for it.
The article I’ve linked to includes a few quotes from people speculating about what drives the American right’s hostility towards public education. The ban on teacher-led prayer is invoked, along with the mercenary desire to funnel the money now paid into public schools into private hands.
I suspect it’s much more simple than that. Without universal education, the far right wouldn’t have to contend with so many pesky arguments about the facts of history, math, science, etc.
Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes
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That's not really a good comparison though because you can get water for free
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Why would I want to buy packaged and bottled water, I wonder. Carbonated, I can understand, but Just Plain Water?
The thinking is, if we can't make a buck on this, lets abolish it. or at least discredit it so people will come to us instead.
Seriously, have you not heard of the Nestle Boycott?
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of course I've heard of the nestle boycott, what does it have to do with this?
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Re: Public education is political indoctrination paid for by theft
Unfortunately, our government is closely tied to big business, and ideologically split by a wide margin, so any government-based solution is going to be diluted by these things. A combination of private and public solutions, IMO, is the best path.
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Article 25 of the Universal declaration of Human rights (http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/#atop)
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
article 26
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
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These things are better described for what they are, regardless of what side of the political spectrum one finds ones self on:
Services.
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What are the consequences currently for violating an American's right to free speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom to worship or not worship?
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Someone's right to free speech and/or religion is not violated if their boss threatens to fire them for expressing certain political beliefs or attending certain churches (or not attending any churches at all?) Someone's right to free speech and/or religion is not violated if a landlord threatens to evict them for expressing certain political beliefs or attending certain churches (or not attending any churches at all?)
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no a right which is violated should have consequences for the person who committed the violation but often doesn't
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A right is better characterized as freedom from or entitlement to something for no reason other than being. The "freedom from" and "entitlement to" are often flip sides of the same thing; freedom from violations of liberty can also be described as an entitlement to liberty. But even if we accept your system, there are consequences for people who keep their children from having an education, or having appropriate health care, for example.
These things are better described for what they are, regardless of what side of the political spectrum one finds ones self on:
Services.
The only service is the practical application of those rights that have already been determined to exist. The military exists to protect certain liberties, and voter registration workers exist because people are entitled to a vote; I wouldn't characterize either as primarily services.
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Except that the two are at fundamental odds with one another. That we have delineated terms like positive and negative rights is one of the indications of this. One is passive, the other active. Insofar as it moves in one direction, ground is given up by the other.
I prefer a characterization which does not conflict on such a basic level.
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Slavery is the institution whereby some group, the slave owners, are entitled, by right, supposedly, to claim some portion of the products of the time labor and efforts of others, the slaves. There is nothing ridiculous in the claim that the assertion that education is a right is effectively a claim of slave ownership on those who would be presumed to be obligated to teach, or to provide funds to that end.
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Now if what you meant to say was actually SCHOOLING, then no, it is not a basic human right.