[identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics

These orange street lights maybe a thing of the past.

Over the next few years, many cities and localities will be replacing their street lamps (typically high pressure sodium gas which emits either a pinkish to yellowish to orange hue based on the light wattage and the ballast used in the fixture) and migrating their fixtures to the more 20 to 40 percent more economical LED lights.



Large-scale streetlight-upgrade programs have already begun in New York, Anchorage, San Jose, Pittsburgh, and many other cities. In Los Angeles, a $57 million project backed by the city’s Department of Water and Power and the Clinton Climate Initiative will replace 140,000 of the city’s 209,000 streetlights. Michael Siminovitch, the director of the California Lighting Technology Center at UC Davis, argues that the true potential and savings of the new lighting are less a matter of the source than of digital “adaptive controls.” Unlike sodium lights, LEDs and other next-generation lights can be tuned to various colors, easily dimmed, arranged into luminous surfaces and shapes, and turned on and off instantly.[1]


Many photographers and film makers despise the orange sodium lights: "(one filmmaker, Tenolian Bell, called it “the ugliest light known to the cinematographer”); movie cameras simulate its color by using a gel filter named Bastard Amber." Personally I *LOVE* the color of these lights, and in the winter time, snow shows up really well under these type of lights (the mercury vapor lights for some reason don't). I can vouch about the changing the color of LEDs, they're the rage in salt water fish tanks now, and you can have computer designed light shows in your fish tank with literally hundreds of light combination and hues. They use hardly any wattage compared to metal lights used on such tanks, and also generate NO heat.

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[1.] Source.

[2.] The history of street lighting in the United States.

[3.] LEDs color range demonstrated in salt water fish tank lighting.


[4.] Torrence, California's beta testing of LED lamp fixtures.

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Date: 11/7/11 21:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
It would be interesting to the see the actual numbers for a project like this. How much does lighting cost per year with the current lights, how much the replacement project costs, how much the LED replacements cost to operate per year, and how many years it would take to pay for itself.

Also, in before the anti-green rants...

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Date: 11/7/11 22:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
why is the government mandating the color of the light we see???

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Date: 12/7/11 00:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
they're in the pockets of big light.

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Date: 11/7/11 22:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dierdrae.livejournal.com
I wrote a paper in college about the history of street lighting. This switch to LEDs pleases me.

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Date: 11/7/11 23:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Is this thread going to conflate the issue of having LED lighting and forcing people to buy LED/CFL lighting?

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Date: 11/7/11 23:42 (UTC)
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http://wonk-room.livejournal.com/2458664.html
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Date: 12/7/11 06:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
No, but here's my favorite graphic from those debates.
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But vaguely on-topic, wouldn't you prefer if America was the leading high-tech nation in the world? Personally I think I think it kind of sucks the way we lag behind countries like Japan and South Korea in critical areas.

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LED's cause traffic accidents

Date: 11/7/11 23:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
http://boingboing.net/2009/12/17/led-traffic-lights-d.html

http://www.tgdaily.com/trendwatch/43388-led-traffic-lights-may-cause-accidents

http://www.newstreetlights.com/index_files/LED_street_light_news_Alaska_and_Minnesota_experts_say_LED_streetlights_perform_well_in_snow_154.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/ConsumerNews/led-traffic-lights-unusual-potentially-deadly-winter-problem/story?id=9506449

Re: LED's cause traffic accidents

Date: 12/7/11 00:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
Seems like a design flaw that's easy to fix. Any "new" tech goes through these kinds of growing pains.

*Bullshit*

Date: 12/7/11 00:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com
also generate NO heat.

As the French customs guy on the Oil of Ulan advert said to the woman when she told him her age...impossibull.

Just saying.

Re: *Bullshit*

Date: 12/7/11 12:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
I wasn't going to note that because then I'd get an endless series of replies about how no and low are exactly the same.

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Date: 12/7/11 00:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com
I'll have to check with my council member on where Atlanta is with this.

Also I'd like to see more shielding on the top, which directs the light downward.

Too much light pollution in Atlanta, one of the world's worse light polluters. I was impressed during a visit to Hawaii regarding downward street light fixtures.

You can only see the planets and the brightest stars in the sky. 70 miles North in the mountains it is a different universe!
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Date: 12/7/11 07:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com
You have streetlights that don't point down? Why?

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Date: 12/7/11 13:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eracerhead.livejournal.com
Let's just take the next step and get rid of them altogether.

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Date: 13/7/11 01:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
not sure if you're joking but I approve. All cars/motorcycle should have headlights installed!

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