[identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
I shake your hand while I plot your demise, muahahaha!

So Obama is reaching out to Latin American countries instead of taking the arguably tough stance of the Bush era.

"I think it was a good moment," Chavez said about their initial encounter. "I think President Obama is an intelligent man, compared to the previous U.S. president."

Associated Press


Score one for Chavez. I don't like the man but he cracks me up at times.

Anyway, Obama's policy may have historic ramifications on our relationship with Cuba. It was a brilliant move to ease travel restrictions and then tell Raul Castro "It's your move."

For the first time since the Eisenhower era has Cuba offered to negotiate on this scale. They have offered to put "everything" on the table, including human rights and political prisoners. Here's something I never thought I'd hear from Cuba:

"We could be wrong, we admit it. We're human beings," Castro said. "We're willing to sit down to talk as it should be done, whenever." Wow.

Obama wisely countered that while he welcomed the overtures, words aren't enough. He added that he was hoped Castro would offer action in return for the US gesture, such as the release of political prisoners.

So far so good. Making the first move, reaching out with respect but seeking action and not just words. If Obama can bring a thaw in our relationships with Cuba that would be a major accomplishment that no other President has managed in almost 50 years of hostility. There are still many things that can go wrong, but I think Obama's handling this brilliantly so far.

I don't smoke but if we normalize relationships and end the embargo I'm buying me a box of Cuban cigars (if I can afford them, hopefully the price will drop with the embargo lifted). Anyone in the New York area would be welcome to join me in my microscopic apartment in New York to celebrate. :P

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Date: 18/4/09 16:01 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
How much good did Bush's policies do again? And Bush didn't invade some random Latin American nation for shits and giggles, like virtually every other President before him since the days of Simon Bolivar did. He did a lot of fuckwitted stuff, but invading a random Latin American country was one of the few things he did not do.

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Date: 18/4/09 16:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Considering Clinton invaded Haiti, even he invaded a random Latin American country for shits and giggles (which is funny, because I doubt most people consider French "Latin" in that sense).....

Yeah, I think it's pretty odd that given the chance to make a perfect trifecta of clusterfucks, Bush avoided one of the oldest routes a US President had for that...

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How about them mass graves in Panama?

Date: 18/4/09 23:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'll never forget how American looked the other way when its military buried Panamanians in mass graves. National socialism straight outta Washington, DC and people didn't bat an eye.
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Date: 19/4/09 03:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Nicaragua. El Salvador. Panama. Grenada. (That's just the 80's)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
Sorry, pal, Godwin's Law does not apply in this case.

When is torture completely acceptable? When are mass graves cool? When are concentration camps hip and happening? When is ethnic cleansing the moral thing to do?

Answer: When done by the American military.

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What cracked me up about Granada was when an invasion team landed at the medical college, shot the place up, and had the medical students thanking them for rescuing them from the horrors of being attacked by American troops. There was a reason those guys couldn't get into med school back in the States.

And then there was the attack on the hospital: an intelligent use of deadly force.

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Date: 18/4/09 16:57 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candent.livejournal.com
This makes me really happy.

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Date: 18/4/09 21:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lucazzo.livejournal.com
*phew*

I've been waiting for this summit for a good month or so. Most Venezuelans who are fed up with Chavez's antics and were fed up with Bush's are not as worried now about shit truly hitting the fan.

Call me naive and idealistic, but diplomacy sure as hell works better when the parties aren't pointing guns at each other.

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Date: 19/4/09 03:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
I don't know about you, but when somebody say, "Can we talk?" it kinda makes me nervous. It never sounds like the start of good news.

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Date: 18/4/09 22:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rumorsofwar.livejournal.com
Amazing and totally predictable. I mean who knew that talking to people without putting a gun to their head first might make them more agreeable to your terms? Who could have guessed that by making a few concessions on our part without jeopardizing our beliefs could make a desperate country like Cuba eager to reciprocate?

OMG INORITE!?

Date: 18/4/09 23:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com

Whodathunkit.

There are nuns in Cuba?

Date: 18/4/09 23:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
I was watching a travel video that a friend shot in Havana a few years back. Someone in the room was surprised to see that there were nuns walking around on the streets in their old fashioned habits. He had assumed that the Cubans had persecuted the Church into non-existence.

Some of they guys in the room were pleased to see that there are topless beaches in Cuba. That's something the Christian Coalition will terminate after the invasion.
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Date: 19/4/09 02:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypolitik.livejournal.com
Have the right-wing reactionaries flipped the fuck out and gone batshit crazy, yet?

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Date: 19/4/09 11:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Michelle Malkin must not have published on the story yet -- there's nothing on it in conservatism, so I assume the nutters there haven't been told what to think yet.

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Date: 19/4/09 18:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
This is definitely a positive step forward. An ideological difference, even a massive one, is a silly reason to completely embargo a country. Makes one look pushy at best, and like a bully at worst. This approach, using trade as the carrot to motivate Cuba to address certain concerns, seems far more productive.

I'm a little surprised at Chávez's reaction, though. How does he expect to stay in power without the bogeyman of The American Empire and Míster Danger?

"Anyone in the New York area would be welcome to join me in my microscopic apartment in New York to celebrate."

Does hotboxing work with tobacco? ;-)

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