ext_209521 ([identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2011-06-23 07:14 pm
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Wow they actually did it

I never thought I'd see anyone put their name behind a bill like this anytime soon:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110623/ap_on_go_co/us_pot_bill

It's a proposal to decriminalize marijuana. While technically bipartisan (Ron Paul is a co-sponsor) there is virtually no chance of it passing a Republican-controlled House. It's not all the GOP's fault, though. Few Democrats will go on the record as being opposed to marijuana prohibition, including our President.

We shouldn't be sending people to jail for smoking a damned plant. Anyone who claims to want less government in our lives is a hypocrite if they oppose this bill.

I know, I know. Hypocrisy in politics, color us surprised.

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2011-06-24 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
My argument is that marijuana is harmless to society at large and any individual damage it does is selective and minor stemming mainly from its illegality. I've never heard of someone dying from smoking marijuana by itself, having lasting effects, or doing something completely out of character worse than a drink would have.

Smoking is not illegal.

[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com 2011-06-24 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
It is not the smoking part that is illegal but the possession aspect. Prohibition is aimed more at the trade than it is at the use.

I have said it before and I will say it again. One of the Christian experts on heresies, Irenaeus, attacked vegetarians for turning their noses up at the divine gift of animal food. When I read his rationale, I immediately thought of all of those blasphemous heretics who turn their noses up at the divine gift of cannabis.

[identity profile] stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com 2011-06-24 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
We shouldn't be sending people to jail for smoking a damned plant

I know Michigan has a medical a law allowing medical marijuana that conflicts with federal law. This has caused a lot of confusion and conflict within the state because of federal law.

It may have a chance if they use medically prescribed marijuana use as a stepping stone to generally approved legalization.

[identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com 2011-06-24 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Anyone who claims to want less government in our lives is a hypocrite if they oppose this bill.

I don't think this is a supportable assertion. One could think government should be smaller generally, but still support speed limits, proscription of intoxicants, and more rigorous regulation of speculation in commodities.

Edited 2011-06-24 01:26 (UTC)

[identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com 2011-06-24 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
"Marijuana use and distribution is prohibited under federal law because it has a high potential for abuse and does not have an accepted medical use in the U.S.," Smith said. "The Food and Drug Administration has not approved smoked marijuana for any condition or disease."

Yeah, because smoking tobacco is good for all sorts of diseases!

[identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com 2011-06-24 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
I love this part:
The bill would have to go through the House Judiciary Committee. Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said his panel would not consider it.

"Marijuana use and distribution is prohibited under federal law because it has a high potential for abuse and does not have an accepted medical use in the U.S.," Smith said. "The Food and Drug Administration has not approved smoked marijuana for any condition or disease.

"Decriminalizing marijuana will only lead to millions more Americans becoming addicted to drugs and greater profits for drug cartels who fund violence along the U.S.-Mexico border. Allowing states to determine their own marijuana policy flies in the face of Supreme Court precedent."
The entire thing reeks of bullshit, but it's particularly telling that Republicans don't really care about smaller federal government and deferring to states.

[identity profile] udoswald.livejournal.com 2011-06-24 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
there is virtually no chance of it passing a Republican-controlled House.

Sadly I don't see this bill passing even in a Democratic-controlled House. The Dems talk a good game but when it comes to police-state bullshit they're not that much better than Republicans (and getting worse).

[identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com 2011-06-24 06:09 am (UTC)(link)
Democrats, especially California's, are useless in this area. Despite the lack of a harm case against it and flying in the face of medical evidence showing that in fact, marijuana can be helpful for a number of conditions, the federal government and all of it's law-enforcement branches will keep pretending that it's a scourge that kills untold numbers(actually, non-existent numbers).

[identity profile] raichu100.livejournal.com 2011-06-24 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this post! Legalize please! :)

Hell yeah!

[identity profile] terminator44.livejournal.com 2011-06-26 01:23 am (UTC)(link)

[identity profile] chyenna.livejournal.com 2011-06-27 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
I’m all for smaller government, but I don’t support legalizing marijuana except in the case of medical purposes. And I’m not talking about glaucoma either.

My main beef is the drug cartels. They aren’t going to retire because they’re not making as much money as before or because they have a wider competition. So what are they going to do? They send hitmen (which are increasingly teenagers) to kill members of rival gangs as well as police and lawyers who make a stand against them and their operations, and not just in Mexico. And let's say they give up their weed operations, they'll focus more on the illegal drugs, which will still be in demand here, and the violence will still continue. It won't abate with a passing of a bill.

It’s a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation. I see the ‘let’s legalize it’ perspective, but I also know that legalizing won’t help that much. Problems like these can’t be solved by signing petitions and passing bills. These are difficult problems with a wide spread impact and severe consequences.

I'm not trying to be combative, but I see no reason to legalize marijuana outside of the medical arena. Yes, I believe in personal freedom (as well as taking responsibility for your personal freedom), but I know that said personal freedom comes with a price tag. How much personal freedom depends on the price. So what will this cost not just us but for our neighbors in Mexico and beyond? The world is getting smaller so our actions (and inactions) have a much more stronger impact that spans to areas in far off places.

[identity profile] chyenna.livejournal.com 2011-06-27 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
P.S. I do believe that most politicians don't want to pass the legalization of marijuana because they can't make a viable profit off of it like they do with alcohol and tobacco.