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talkpoliticsOn a day when opposition forces in Libya suffered battlefield losses, President Barack Obama made clear in interviews Tuesday with the three major U.S. television networks that he was open to arming the rebel fighters.
"I'm not ruling it out, but I'm also not ruling it in," Obama told NBC in one of the separate interviews he gave the day after a nationally televised speech on the Libya situation.
"I think it's fair to say that if we wanted to get weapons into Libya, we probably could," Obama told ABC. "We're looking at all our options at this point."
More here: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/29/obama.libya.interviews/
I have four thoughts on this:
1) The reason he's not ruling it out is because the American's are probably arming them through their subsidiaries. The Egyptians have been shipping weapons over the border with the full knowledge (and support one assumes) of the Americans.
2) How does arming the rebels protect civilians? Particularly those civilians who may well be opposed to the rebels actions?
3) Do the American's (and the Brits & the French) even know exactly who these rebels are? And then I found this article: Amid Rebels, 'Flickers' of al Qaeda
4) Have the American's (and the Brits & the French) learned nothing from Afghanistan?
Maybe someone can explain to me how it is a good idea to arm the rebels? Because I can't see how this is a good idea.
"I'm not ruling it out, but I'm also not ruling it in," Obama told NBC in one of the separate interviews he gave the day after a nationally televised speech on the Libya situation.
"I think it's fair to say that if we wanted to get weapons into Libya, we probably could," Obama told ABC. "We're looking at all our options at this point."
More here: http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/29/obama.libya.interviews/
I have four thoughts on this:
1) The reason he's not ruling it out is because the American's are probably arming them through their subsidiaries. The Egyptians have been shipping weapons over the border with the full knowledge (and support one assumes) of the Americans.
2) How does arming the rebels protect civilians? Particularly those civilians who may well be opposed to the rebels actions?
3) Do the American's (and the Brits & the French) even know exactly who these rebels are? And then I found this article: Amid Rebels, 'Flickers' of al Qaeda
4) Have the American's (and the Brits & the French) learned nothing from Afghanistan?
Maybe someone can explain to me how it is a good idea to arm the rebels? Because I can't see how this is a good idea.
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Date: 30/3/11 04:48 (UTC)There doesn't really need to be a better idea than this, right?
Right./
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Date: 30/3/11 05:02 (UTC)/At least until they become an enemy, in which case, see step one.
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From:Those are all undeniably horrible and saddening.
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Date: 30/3/11 05:46 (UTC)Git Some!
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Date: 30/3/11 05:59 (UTC)We can't un-bomb the Libyan army, our real question is if we follow through and remove Qaddafi from power or do we allow him to stay in place.
Anyone who is going to believe the rebels are Western puppets will already believe that, along with those who think this is all about oil. That damage is done. I'd say that we're committed to giving the rebels as much help as they need to remove Gaddafi.
This is exactly why I was not a fan of the no-fly zone. We're now in a situation of our own making in which the option of sitting back and watching Kaddafi slaughter his own people has been taken off the table.
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Date: 30/3/11 20:57 (UTC)How?
We're now in a situation of our own making in which the option of sitting back and watching Kaddafi slaughter his own people has been taken off the table.
We seem to be quite comfortable watching the slaughter going on in the rest of Africa.
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Date: 30/3/11 07:26 (UTC)and oil,and... did I mention freedom?(no subject)
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Date: 30/3/11 09:48 (UTC)I'm wondering though what will we do about the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia when that turns sour for us.
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Date: 30/3/11 18:45 (UTC)Lucky-ish for us, the Saudi family is smart. They keep anyone who would have the means to coalesce a revolution on their payroll. You might see some protests, but nothing revolutionary I don't think. Not for this generation anyways.
livejournal, if you don't post this fucking post, I am going to stab you in the neck with a fork.
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Date: 30/3/11 20:54 (UTC)I'm wondering though what will we do about the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia when that turns sour for us.
Bury our heads in the sand I suspect.
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Date: 30/3/11 23:30 (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 30/3/11 09:59 (UTC)2) How does arming the rebels protect civilians ? The rebels are civilians.
Particularly those civilians who may well be opposed to the rebels actions ?
This is the most relevant question. Can we trust the rebels ? According to what they say until now, yes. Everything will depend on whether pro-Kadhafi civilians will decide to take arms or not. This is why the diplomatic process or/and an implosion of the Kadhafi system are so important at this level.
3) Don't forget that it's Gaddafi himself who decided to release 110 Al Qaeda fighters just before the Day of Rage on 17th february.
Maybe someone can explain to me how it is a good idea to arm the rebels? Because I can't see how this is a good idea.
This or sending ground troops ? I prefer this. And if you are afraid that too many weapons circulate in the area, then it's time to stop Gaddafi (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libya+allegedly+went+on+gun-buying+spree-a01611489519).
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Date: 30/3/11 20:50 (UTC)The rebels are not an organised mass who speak with one voice. Even now they are arguing about who is in charge about who will form the next government. Until there is a visible leader to the rebel movement I say we can't trust them because they are only united in wanting to get rid of Gaddafi, nothing else.
Don't forget that it's Gaddafi himself who decided to release 110 Al Qaeda fighters just before the Day of Rage on 17th february.
Good point but getting rid of Gaddafi and having nothing to replace him will play right into Al Qaeda's hands.
This is why the diplomatic process or/and an implosion of the Kadhafi system are so important at this level.
The diplomatic process was the most important thing. They needed to have a country blueprint before they went in there with all guns blazing. They need to have something to fill the vacuum. Nothing they have been saying has convinced me they've thought about Libya after Gaddafi.
This or sending ground troops ? I prefer this.
Why do we have to do either?
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Date: 30/3/11 20:53 (UTC)Stopping Gaddafi won't stop the problem. There is no guarantee that whoever replaces him won't do the same thing. You need to stop the suppliers.
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Date: 30/3/11 17:26 (UTC)Didn't the icon give a hint as to what I actually meant?
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Date: 30/3/11 20:35 (UTC)"Vroom, shit I passed it... fuck where'd it go... where's my target? Vroom, I saw it... shit... vroom... bingo fuel, gotta go back..."
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