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Time magazine has an interesting OPed piece advocating for US intervention into Libya, the story is here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599205747000;_ylt=AlaQAT8F0gGOcLmOzYJ421RH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0cTIyYjdyBHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bi1yLWItbGVmdARzbGsDLWxpYnlhJiMzOQ--#mwpphu-container
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I think we should stay out of it, there is nothing that the US can do to help the rebels without 1) they losing legitimacy and 2) we coming across as sticking our noses in another place they don't belong, giving the groups that already hate us another reason to shout "I told you so". Besides, I thought this was the purview of the UN, anyways: to help mediate conflicts and so forth.
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I think we should stay out of it, there is nothing that the US can do to help the rebels without 1) they losing legitimacy and 2) we coming across as sticking our noses in another place they don't belong, giving the groups that already hate us another reason to shout "I told you so". Besides, I thought this was the purview of the UN, anyways: to help mediate conflicts and so forth.
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Date: 7/3/11 20:49 (UTC)sing along with me
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Date: 7/3/11 17:20 (UTC)LOL!
The UN is the single most ineffective body on the planet. Even if it wanted to do something it wouldn't be capable of moving in a timely manner, and that's getting past the issue of countries on the security council having deals for commodities with the despot and thus not wanting the rebels to succeed. Freedom for Libyans? Pfft, we've got oil to worry about.
I'm firmly in the "no-fly zone" camp. We shouldn't put people on the ground, and we should let them fight it out themselves. We CAN help them by neutralizing Gadhafi's air power. Since this is the specific intervention they're asking for, there's not much "I told you so" (at least no more so then usual, and certainly no more then you'll get by doing nothing). Also given the relative imbalance in air power, this comes at comparatively low risk to American personnel.
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Date: 7/3/11 18:03 (UTC)Yes, that's the story that's often told, and yet, when the US went to war in coordination with the UN in the Gulf War 1, they realized their objectives, Kuwait attained some form of justice and there was no distraction for vague but unrealizable goals.
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Date: 7/3/11 17:33 (UTC)Kadaffy has comitted war crimes now, plain and simple. The world needs to come down on him like a ton of bricks.
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Date: 7/3/11 17:49 (UTC)Anything beyond that is out of the question.
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Date: 7/3/11 23:48 (UTC)Best comment so far. Let those who want to fight, fight their own war. Look after those who just want to live.
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Date: 7/3/11 18:24 (UTC)Also, we have to deal with whoever comes out of this in power. It's easier to prevent WMD proliferation when you didn't actively campaign to wipe out the winning party.
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Date: 7/3/11 19:03 (UTC)Pappa Stijntje's verdict:
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Date: 7/3/11 22:56 (UTC)There are ways of providing humanitarian aid that do not require airdrops. There are quite a few refugees who have fled the country and lets face it, the 2 largest neighbors who are getting the bulk of the refugees are not in terribly good shape themselves at the moment.
I think there is a definate role for the US and the West in at the very least seeing to it that these refugee camps do not become humanitarian disasters.
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Date: 7/3/11 22:07 (UTC)That being said - since there is no stable government to set up deals with - there really isn't anything to gain. Let them fight it out, and send a nice card to the winner.
Why the world hates Americans.
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Date: 8/3/11 03:54 (UTC)Giving those who already hate us another reason to do so should not factor into our thinking. We're a super-power after all and can take a bit of criticism.
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