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mahnmut ([personal profile] mahnmut) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2022-08-31 08:14 pm
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RIP Gorby

Rest in peace Comrade Gorbachev. He tried to give the USSR some actual democracy and transparency and rid it of its dictatorship and cruel treatment of its own people.

Too bad he wasn't successful because we would've probably seen a system closer to an actual socialist system (one OF, FOR and BY the people).

He tried, yet he failed. None of it was his fault however, it was the fault of the cruel power-hungry tyrants that hijacked the USSR for their own benefit, one of the worst ones being Stalin.

Gorbachev was what a better communist could've looked like.

If the reforms actually worked, today the USSR might've been just as democratic and free as the West, if not even more so.
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[personal profile] asthfghl 2022-08-31 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Today's Russians hate him for the most part. For them, he's the man who collapsed their great empire.

[personal profile] mikeyxw 2022-09-01 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
I guess we can say if only one thing had changed, we could have seen a democratic communist government which of course will be far more democratic than the West... or Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, India, Botswana, Mexico, Costa Rica, or the rest. Anyhow, if that one thing had changed, communism would of course have produced true democracy if not for that damn Stalin... or Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, or whomever. I actually find it an endearing quality of communists that they believe a democratic and communist government is a likely outcome despite the lack of examples that can be referred to.

It should be remembered, Lenin killed about a million of his own countrymen and oversaw the Red Terror. He laid the groundwork for the Cheka, Gulags, and using terror to intimidate the population into obedience. Stalin was certainly a montherfucker, but he really just built upon Lenin's foundation. And added a zero to the number of his countrymen he killed.
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[personal profile] fridi 2022-09-01 10:18 am (UTC)(link)
Given human nature, communism is not viable. Gorby must have realized this.
Edited 2022-09-01 10:18 (UTC)
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[personal profile] merig00 2022-09-01 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
where's the sarcasm tag?

The socio-economic situation of the 80s forced his hand. The only reason he is fondly remembered is for not drowning a sixth of Earth's land surface in blood.

He sent in the military to suppress anti-Soviet protests in Lithuania and Latvia in January 1991. Seven people lost their lives on the barricades in the Latvian capital, Riga, and another 14 were killed by Soviet troops trying to seize the TV tower in Vilnius.

When thousands of protesters took to the streets in Soviet Kazakhstan in 1986, Soviet and local forces reacted with brutality, leaving an estimated 200 people dead.

Soviet tanks rolled into the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, to quash pro-independence protests in April 1989, leaving 21 people dead, most of them women.

A crackdown on Azerbaijan's pro-independence movement in 1990 left 147 people dead.

Countless lives were lost due to the suppression of news and general handling of the Chornobyl catastrophe.


P.S. Just saw a great summary "In short, he was not a ghoul and not a big bloodsucker. For this, we are grateful to him. And he seemed almost human. True, everything that he undertook turned out FUBAR. But that was actually for the best. If he was smart, there would be much more harm."

Edited 2022-09-01 17:03 (UTC)