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President Biden failed to meet his (ambitious) goal of getting 70% of the American people vaccinated against covid-19 by July 4, but a surge of interest in the vaccine this week is bringing his country closer to that 70%.

"On a single day this past week, more than half a million people across the United States trickled into high school gymnasiums, pharmacies and buses converted into mobile clinics. Then they pushed up their sleeves and got their coronavirus vaccines. These are the Americans who are being vaccinated at this moment in the pandemic: the reluctant, the anxious, the procrastinating."

They Waited, They Worried, They Stalled. This Week, They Got the Shot.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/they-waited-they-worried-they-stalled-then-they-got-the-shot/

I'm sorry that so many people in America have such high distrust of their government thanks to right-wing propaganda and Trump mouthpieces who do not seem to understand basic science, the purpose of mass vaccination, or the duties of citizenship, and need their mothers, friends, employers, and public schools to cajole and force them to get their shots.

Better late than never, but honestly, pathetic. What a spoiled lot people have become. People in many countries are begging for these vaccines and lining up for hours in the hot sun. I guess we can keep cutting off our noses and complaining we can't breathe, but how about some common sense instead of wilful stupidity for a change?

People are being bombarded with so much information and misinformation by a multitude of different sources and have been fed so many lies by conservative pundits, it's no wonder that these poor folks in the US South and Midwest are now realising they've been duped. I pray for my fellow human beings in America to just PLEASE GET VACCINATED, for you, your family, your friends, and your country.

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Date: 25/7/21 21:00 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
Seconding that.

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Date: 26/7/21 10:00 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
Who is telling people not to get vaccinated?

I've meant to ask in previous post but could someone please share a link to a video of one of these evil white supremacist nazi conservatives advising people not to get vaccinated?

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Date: 26/7/21 10:25 (UTC)
asthfghl: (Слушам и не вярвам на очите си!)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
Does spewing anti vaccine rhetoric and thus implicitly fostering doubt in vaccination count? Because that's what Tucker Carlson did:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/apr/15/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-falsely-claims-covid-19-vaccines-mi/

Same goes for Brian Kilmeade who apparently thinks a third shot isn't necessary if the first two worked:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-anti-vaccination-hysteria-1195003/amp/
Edited Date: 26/7/21 10:25 (UTC)

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Date: 26/7/21 17:54 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
"If the vaccine is effective, there is no reason for people who've received a vaccine to wear masks or avoid physical contact," he said. "So maybe it doesn't work, and they're simply not telling you that. Well, you'd hate to think that, especially if you've gotten two shots. But what's the other potential explanation? We can't think of one."

Sounds to me like he's making an observation, and asking a question.

It's ironic that the 'party of science' and people that 'believe in science!' don't like these 2 things (I can point out later why this is ironic if anyone needs me to, but I hope it isn't necessary)

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Date: 26/7/21 18:55 (UTC)
asthfghl: (Слушам и не вярвам на очите си!)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
Oh yes sure he's just asking, allright.

Like when Trump asked if Covid wasn't a Chinese hoax, and then added, "who knows". I'm sure he was just making an observation.

And I may or may not be Dizzy Gillespie. Or am I? I mean, just look how goggled my eyes are. Of course this is just an observation.

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Date: 26/7/21 18:05 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
Not wanting the government going door to door is not anti vaccine.

Mocking experts who can't figure out how/why there are people who aren't hanging onto and believing their every word is not anti vaccine.

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Date: 26/7/21 18:56 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luzribeiro
Not anything is anti vaccine. It's all a call for freedom. That must be it.

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Date: 26/7/21 11:14 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
I'll give your links a more in depth look later, but at first glance - I don't see anyone saying not to get vaccinated.

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Date: 26/7/21 18:57 (UTC)
fridi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] fridi
You seem concerned. I mean, about anyone not having told anybody to not get vaccinated.

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Date: 26/7/21 19:14 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
Just like to get rid of the evil boogeymen when I get a chance, I want everyone getting a good night's sleep.

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Date: 26/7/21 19:34 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fridi
Is that boogeyman made of straw by any chance? Cuz you sure seem very capable with those matches.

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Date: 26/7/21 18:58 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luzribeiro
Let's not play stupid here, shall we?

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Date: 26/7/21 19:04 (UTC)
asthfghl: (Слушам и не вярвам на очите си!)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
Oh do forgive me then. It seems my first-glance and second-glance impression that a significant number of conservatives in the US, particularly Trump supporters, are staunchly anti-vaccination, has been wrong all along. I must have been reading all the news the wrong way. Care to straighten up my error and teach me your side of the story? I'm all ears.

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Date: 26/7/21 19:12 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
We aren't talking about the political affiliations of the unvaccinated.

We are talking about who - if anyone - is telling people not to get vaccinated. I'm still waiting for an example.

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Date: 26/7/21 19:31 (UTC)
asthfghl: (Слушам и не вярвам на очите си!)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
Why are you actually waiting for an example?

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Date: 26/7/21 19:36 (UTC)
oportet: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oportet
Im not, because I know it isn't there. Just my way of helping others realize it.

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Date: 26/7/21 20:05 (UTC)
asthfghl: (Слушам и не вярвам на очите си!)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
Why should anyone prove to you that something they never claimed was there, isn't there?

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Date: 26/7/21 19:07 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mahnmut
More like a loaded question, this particular fallacy. But yeah.

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Date: 26/7/21 19:47 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
Where have I said that you said that someone has been telling people not to get vaccinated?

I never accused you or anyone of that - I didn't and haven't made any assumptions. I just asked if it happened. It wasn't a trick question. It wasn't a gotcha question. It wasn't a strawman.

It was just a question.

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Date: 26/7/21 20:11 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luzribeiro
It's a not-very-subtle form of trolling, and it has succeeded.

Guy just seems bored, is all.

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Date: 26/7/21 21:34 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
The point of my question?

Maybe I wanted to have 5 or 6 conversations about the hidden motives behind my question.

It's also possible I was looking for answers.

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Date: 26/7/21 19:06 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mahnmut
> Who is telling people not to get vaccinated?

And when will you stop beating your wife? See? I can play that game too.

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Date: 26/7/21 19:13 (UTC)
oportet: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oportet
So...everyone is in agreement that no one is telling people not to get vaccinated?

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Date: 26/7/21 19:32 (UTC)
mahnmut: (Super cool story bro!)
From: [personal profile] mahnmut
Is that a promise that you're going to stop beating your wife then?

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Date: 26/7/21 19:35 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kiaa
"Who is telling people not to get vaccinated?"

Where did THIS come from?

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Date: 26/7/21 19:49 (UTC)
oportet: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oportet
It's a question that I asked. I assumed that inside a post about people not getting vaccinated a question about why people aren't getting vaccinated might be relevant.

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Date: 26/7/21 20:13 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kiaa
You didn't ask THAT question. Are you asking it now?

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Date: 26/7/21 21:05 (UTC)
asthfghl: (Слушам и не вярвам на очите си!)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
Since we already established that it was a rhetorical question, you must know the answer.

What's your answer to your own question? I'm just curious.

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Date: 26/7/21 21:53 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oportet
My first two replies - you being one of them - gave examples.

A handful of folks after that seem to think the premise of my question is flawed because it isn't happening.

Obviously there isn't a consensus (if only there was a discussion forum nearby!).

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Date: 27/7/21 05:49 (UTC)
asthfghl: (You stupid woman!)
From: [personal profile] asthfghl
Yes, a few people including myself caught your bait before realizing it was a ruse, I guess that gave you a good night's sleep.

You and I, we must be having a very different understanding of what the purpose of a discussion forum is.

Are we going to be talking about talking for much longer?
Edited Date: 27/7/21 06:24 (UTC)
(reply from suspended user)

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Date: 26/7/21 20:12 (UTC)
luzribeiro: (Dog)
From: [personal profile] luzribeiro
Nice try. You must be bored.

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Date: 27/7/21 18:53 (UTC)
kiaa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kiaa
Conservative Radio Host Skeptical of Vaccines Hospitalized With COVID: “He’s Regretful”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/phil-valentine-radio-host-vaccines-hospitalized-covid.html

It took a near-death experience for him to change his mind.

But yeah. These are people who only trust anecdata. So they've got one bit of it here.

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