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talkpoliticsI read the speech but failed to understand how is this going to work. So they give 4B for the most "innovative" programs in math and sciences and, of course, the same "No child left behind" idiocy of rewarding better test results.
Innovative math, wtf is that? As far as I know American HS graduates struggle with geometry (circa 300 BC) and colleges treat Calculus (circa 1820) as the cutting edge advanced science. What innovative math could they possibly get if they cannot learn millennia old basics.
And how does rewarding high test results works we have already seen in the No Child Left Behind fiasco. I did not think they can dumb the school curriculum any further but here is the Change - we will get all the schools teaching dumbed down "innovative" sciences in hopes to get a piece of the $4B. Then American companies will have to hire Indian and Chinese mathematicians and scientists, the ones who were taught in a tiered school system where bright children get curriculum adjusted to their own abilities and not to abilities of the dumbest Child, Who Will Not Be Left Behind.
Innovative math, wtf is that? As far as I know American HS graduates struggle with geometry (circa 300 BC) and colleges treat Calculus (circa 1820) as the cutting edge advanced science. What innovative math could they possibly get if they cannot learn millennia old basics.
And how does rewarding high test results works we have already seen in the No Child Left Behind fiasco. I did not think they can dumb the school curriculum any further but here is the Change - we will get all the schools teaching dumbed down "innovative" sciences in hopes to get a piece of the $4B. Then American companies will have to hire Indian and Chinese mathematicians and scientists, the ones who were taught in a tiered school system where bright children get curriculum adjusted to their own abilities and not to abilities of the dumbest Child, Who Will Not Be Left Behind.
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Date: 24/11/09 13:10 (UTC)I'm not disagreeing with any of your argument btw, just telling you what I think the administration's (misguided) attempt is.
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Date: 24/11/09 16:05 (UTC)Kids are capable of much more than we give them credit for. And also? It's not a crime to make them memorize things.
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Date: 25/11/09 08:23 (UTC)Sure it's not, it's just not a very effective way for people to learn. There's nothing wrong with repetition of say, a certain type of equation (ie practice), but doing the same equation over and over teaches you nothing. Who is better at maths, the kid who can remember the standard form of an equation, but can't do anything with that, or the kid who needs to see the equation, but can then use it. Learning the multiplication tables as a sing-song is useless compared to actually teaching someone how to multiply.
I know it seems counter intuitive, but many things are when it comes to education. Nearly everything that was accepted knowledge back in the day was just plain wrong.
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Date: 24/11/09 22:29 (UTC)I for one would like to see an educational system that teaches critical thinking, research skills, and enough civics, science, and history background to understand important policy decisions and not be easily swayed by sound bytes or talk news demagogues.
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Date: 24/11/09 22:53 (UTC)That's what I'm expecting, but hopefully IM RONG.
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Date: 25/11/09 01:59 (UTC)Ok I just read the speech and I don't see this in there anywhere. He describes a system that rewards states for implementing better programs, including "taking new approaches to turn around struggling schools." It's all very vague, granted, but it doesn't specifically mention tying funding to test results.
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Date: 25/11/09 07:28 (UTC)"Improve achievement" sound pretty much like rewarding the test results. Do you really think Obama is going to reward states for selecting 1% of students who have aptitude for science and leaving 99% alone?
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