[identity profile] ghoststrider.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
In the interest of not making this a 100% US politics community, I would like to turn your attention to Italy, home of the mafia, soccer, good wine and great food, and a womanizing prime minister. (No, Bill Clinton didn't get a job there, he's running the State Department back home. I think.)

Anyways, Silvio Berlusconi, Prime Minister of Italy and Her Gorgeous Leg, has long been a womanizer, and usually he got away with it. But not now. Apparently he's had a "relationship" with an 17-year old model, and when he gave her an expensive necklace at her 18th birthday, his wife said, "Dammit, Sil, I can't take it anymore. I'm divorcing you!" (Apparently he never went to his kids' 18th birthdays...) The move has caused rampant speculation, for once, compounded by the fact that the prime minister has blocked publication of photos taken at a party at his villa. Meanwhile, allies of the prime minister have made disparaging comments about his wife, no doubt in an effort to shift attention from Mr. Berlusconi and make it look like he's the victim. (And for another newslink, here is this story which goes into a lot of background about Mr. Berlusconi, and reveals him for the...well I don't what he is. You be the judge.)

To which I say: who the heck gives a damn?

I mean, why are the private lives of people being splashed all over the front page of Irish Times, Daily Mail, The Times, and La Repubblica? (Well, I hear the LR hates Silvio, so...) Why do we care so much about this? Why should we? (It should be noted that the age of consent in Italy is 16.) It's none of our business. We don't like the private lives of our families being exposed to the world, so why should we feel the opposite about politicians? Because they are politicians? Why? They're still people, just as dumb and prone to having erections as you and me.

It's the Clinton scandal all over again. Why are we so interested? Why do we care? Why are we perfectly willing to violate their privacy when we so cherish our own?

And now, to return you back to your regular scheduled programming, I hereby give you:


(It's as if they think it's a bad thing.)

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Date: 1/6/09 15:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashleyfanfic.livejournal.com
About the Globe...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's the same mag that produces stories about Llama's having human babies!
Edited Date: 1/6/09 15:47 (UTC)

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Date: 1/6/09 16:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
I think you know the answers, don't you? The obvious reasons why people care is because (a) we're all obsessed with celebrity and the lives of the rich and/or famous, (b) we're particularly obsessed with the sex lives of the rich and/or famous (c) any time a 72 old is getting some from an 17/18 year old hottie, well, that's newsworthy even if the 72 year old isn't rich and famous. (d) We expect politicians to be of high moral character (e) entering into public life is often seen as an implicit agreement to have one's life subjected to closer examination.

But, really, (c) is the most important one.

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Date: 1/6/09 18:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com
"(c) any time a 72 old is getting some from an 17/18 year old hottie,..." Meh. Italy's produced better.

"(d) We expect politicians to be of high moral character" Maybe us Americans do — especially when it comes to pretending that politicians are asexual — but the Italians know better. la Repubblica seems to be the only Italian newspaper that gives a fuck, and they're an opposition paper.

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Date: 1/6/09 18:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
Well, I've certainly heard a lot about it, and much of it from my Italian friends, wonder where they're getting their info, the international press?

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Date: 2/6/09 00:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
There's a normative/descriptive distinction here. Nobody is claiming that politicians have all had high moral character, we say that we set that as a criterion. We require politicians to be of at least a high enough moral character to not lie to us, steal from us or abuse our rights. These seem like uncontroversially reasonable moral requirements, no? Whether other kinds of moral failings are likely to correlate with directly moral failings is another question, but I think the worry typically is that they might.

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Date: 2/6/09 14:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
I don't know that they do it all the time, but still, just because someone's failing to meet a standard, it doesn't follow that the standard is a bad one.

I don't think that expecting them not to lie, cheat and steal is putting them on a pedestal. We're not really subjecting them to any different expectations than those we have for everyone else, we just pay closer attention to them when they break the rules.

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Date: 1/6/09 16:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
BTW, if you really want to distract from our non-stop obsessing over all things American, why post on a story that you believe is a complete non-issue? Why not focus on a more substantive EU political issue?

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Date: 2/6/09 03:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
Like how Italians are currently upset with their gov't for not helping Fiat buy Opel from GM?

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Date: 1/6/09 16:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] szeretni.livejournal.com
We all know that Barak and Rahm Emanuel look very close sometimes... :D
Obama's multi-sexual. Everyone wants him. Not surprising really!

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Date: 2/6/09 13:25 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
When Rahm Emmanuel has sex with a man, it won't be because he's gay, it will be because he's run out of women. = )

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Date: 2/6/09 14:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] szeretni.livejournal.com
Hahaha! I do believe that Rahm Emanuel is like Captain Kirk, willing to have sex with anything or anyone willing. ;)

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Date: 2/6/09 14:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] szeretni.livejournal.com
Everyone wants Stephen Colbert too, not really surprising either...

http://www.daylife.com/photo/00UPf1r86Ucmi

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Date: 1/6/09 16:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] szeretni.livejournal.com
BTW Berlusconi is an awful man, and that's not counting cheating on his wife several times. ;)
He's a narcissist and says the most offensive things I've ever heard a politician say:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3041288.stm

"Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian Prime Minister, appears to have made a serious verbal gaffe after telling a German TV station that the 17,000 people left homeless by the Abruzzo earthquake should consider themselves to be on a "camping weekend"."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6058369.ece


Touring camps set up for survivors of Monday’s disaster, in which at least 250 people were killed, Mr Berlusconi told a reporter from N-TV: “They have everything they need, they have medical care, hot food... Of course, their current lodgings are a bit temporary. but they should see it like a weekend of camping."

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Date: 1/6/09 17:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com
All I know is I'm moving to Italy.

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Date: 2/6/09 03:38 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com
FYI, A Vespa holds more luggage then a Ferrari.

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Date: 1/6/09 17:16 (UTC)

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Date: 1/6/09 17:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pantsu.livejournal.com
It's nobody's business but the business of those directly involved. That said, I can understand why people assume it is the business of the public. Representatives are supposed to do just that - represent the people they govern or lead. When our president goes overseas we expect him to represent our country. When he goes on air we expect him to represent our ideals. When he sends other leaders gifts we expect him to do so in a manner that reflects highly upon us as people. Thus, many of us feel it is only right to violate the privacy of our leader to ensure he is doing just that. Hypocritical? Of course. Reasonable? I dunno, is it?
Obviously I don't agree that it's appropriate to scrutinise the private lives of politicians, but fuck if anybody cares about rationalism these days.

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Date: 1/6/09 20:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kunaifusu.livejournal.com
It's the matter of public safety, if a leader has reasons to believe his private life could be kept secret he would be an easy target for blackmail.

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Date: 1/6/09 21:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
No way this could ever be a "bad thing"

Image

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Date: 2/6/09 06:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com
If so I'm gonna have to start stalking her. *nod*

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Date: 2/6/09 13:17 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
There do seem to be marked similarities don't there?


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Date: 4/6/09 20:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Blah. This one is a plain Jane.

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Date: 4/6/09 22:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
With the right attitude, the angle means nothing :D

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Date: 4/6/09 19:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
I guess not, since noone has applied for a trademark (http://airiefairie.livejournal.com/82748.html) license lately.

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Date: 5/6/09 14:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com
Yup, but you're not him :p

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Date: 2/6/09 10:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mijopo.livejournal.com
Come on, dude, some of read this at work

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Date: 2/6/09 13:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xforge.livejournal.com
Heh, sorry. I did apologize downthread. I won't do that any more = )

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Date: 1/6/09 23:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com
That is how they run those magazines just check some of their claims about Bush and Clinton. At least they are consistent.

Berlusconi and the 16 words

Date: 1/6/09 23:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
In the definitive text on the Yellowcake Debacle, The Italian Letter, an employee of a Berlusconi publication plays a prominent role. She is a journalist who had been contacted about the fake documents that said Hussein was trying to buy Uranium. Even Berlusconi's journalist could determine the hoax with little effort. The CIA declined to make a determination, even after their guy, Joseph Wilson, concluded that the documents were fake.

It's not on topic, but it is another aspect of the intersection of the horny boy with the general polity.

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Date: 2/6/09 04:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lordtwinkie.livejournal.com
i knew there was something up with all that date night bullshit and eating all those burgers trying to macho him up.

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