[identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
No, I'm serious, y'all, it really is. Maybe there is something to this "let the market decide" stuff. It surely has worked here (unless you hate Planned Parenthood, as many people do, in which case this is the free market trampling on the heads of little unborn babies, but whatever).

Brief recap for those in caves:

1. A "Pro-life" Republican in Congress initiates specious "investigation" of Planned Parenthood, ostensibly over allegations of wrongdoing, but really because he and his pro-life bosom buddies view PP as a tool of the devil.
2. Susan G. Komen for the Cure, famous for it's pink bombardment in support of breast cancer awareness, the annual "Race for the Cure" events, and for being a big corporate a$$hole about various thing, announced it was going to cease providing breast cancer screening grants to PP, citing some corporate policy or other that prevents them from being involved with organizations currently under government investigation.
3. The world goes guano loco, with pro-life people crowing about a major victory for the unborn, and pro-choice folks suddenly sprouting massive hate-boners the likes of which haven't been seen since Facebook announced it was forcing Timeline on everyone, accusing those mean patriarchal Republicans of yet again chipping away at women's rights. Immediately, a giant backlash ensued in the pro-choice world, with hundreds of thousands of dollars in support being given to PP, and support likewise withdrawn from Komen.
4. Today Komen issued what really looked like a half-assed "whoops!" and said they'd continue to support PP.

(And before anyone tells me that, as a man, I don't have a dog in this fight, I'd like to point out that Penny's sister, mother, and three aunts all had breast cancer, and that my father and his brother both had kidney cancer, which killed my dad. So, STFU.)

It would be one thing if PP were actually, seriously accused of financial wrongdoing. But the fact of the matter is, PP has been on the GOP pro-life wing's hit-list for decades, and, having been thwarted in the courts, having been unable to overturn Roe v. Wade and plunge American back into the glorious years of back-alley abortions, these jokers have taken to any means, however stupid and petty, to attack PP and other pro-choice organizations. I'm sure that the fanatics in the organized pro-life movement really do believe that PP is a truly evil entity, secretly run by a demonic secularist cult that gleefully celebrates every aborted baby as one more useless mouth that won't grow up to be Christian, that PP is run like the mafia and is involved in all manner of shady dealings and sinister machinations. (If this sounds unbelievable, you haven't spent much time around the organized pro-life movement. I have, and trust me, some of the things they believe make birthers and truthers look sane and rational.) But, no, PP isn't crooked, and it isn't unholy, and so individual Congressmen are forced to go on fishing-expedition crusades to satisfy their anti-abortion bloodlust.

The folks at Komen stupidly confused one person's ill-conceived vendetta with a genuine and serious government investigation, and made a dumb move. Said dumb move damaged, perhaps permanently, a brand already tarnished by the aforementioned ham-handed litigiousness and other legitimate criticism, and now they're in damage-control mode. But, like I said, I think this is an illustration of how the free market can work well. Apart from the GOP's "investigations," which sparked it, this is a war between private organizations and their individual supporters. In all the backlash I've been inundated with on Facebook, LJ, and real-world conversations (one of my good friends is a huge Komen supporter/activist and, Jesus, I think I have a perforated eardrum now) I've seen hardly any of the "there ought to be a law!" stuff you often see when private organizations act unwisely. Even the nutty pro-lifers I've talked to (ouch, my other ear!) haven't been, that I have seen, calling for more investigations; they've been praising the private sector's "right move" and calling for more private orgs to do as Komen did.

A private org acted. The market responded. The org reacted to the market. We'll see how the market responds now. Judging from the aforementioned ear-splitting clangor on Facebook and in real life, a lot of former Komen supporters are gone for good, stating that they don't want to be with an organization that "plays politics with women's health" (the fact that various pro-choice orgs play politics every bit as much as their pro-life counterparts apparently hasn't occurred to them).

But, man, I love American pluralism.
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Date: 3/2/12 18:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vnsplshr.livejournal.com
"Maybe there is something to this "let the market decide" stuff."

See?

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Date: 3/2/12 18:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com
Where is my Carnegie icon when I need it?

Oh here it is...

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Date: 3/2/12 18:40 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com
http://studentactivism.net/2012/02/03/komen-statement-on-planned-parenthood-is-a-pr-move-not-a-policy-reversal/

I'm not yet convinced.

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Date: 3/2/12 19:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikinisquad3000.livejournal.com
Good to know, thanks for this.

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Date: 3/2/12 18:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
(And before anyone tells me that, as a man, I don't have a dog in this fight, I'd like to point out that Penny's sister, mother, and three aunts all had breast cancer, and that my father and his brother both had kidney cancer, which killed my dad. So, STFU.)

Penny from The Big Bang Theory? Penny from Inspector Gadget?

You've touched on one of my very few peeves: referring to a specific person in mixed company as if said company knows who that person is. :P
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Date: 3/2/12 19:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paft.livejournal.com
A reversal? Really?

I'll believe it when I see it. And "seeing it" involves watching the Komen foundation like a hawk in the next few years and seeing how many grants are actually given to Planned Parenthood.

This "apology" looks like PR. The same people at Komen who made the original decision to shut PP out of the Grant process remain firmly in place. There's nothing to prevent them from piously insisting that, honest, politics have nothing to do with it -- and then systematically finding rationales to refuse Planned Parenthood requests for grants.

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Date: 3/2/12 21:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
You might be right:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/03/1061450/-Lazy-media-reports-Komen-Foundation-decision-as-reversal-It-isnt

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Date: 3/2/12 19:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Unfortunately an apology is one thing. A full-fledged reversal in policy is a different thing.

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Date: 3/2/12 19:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com
I've kind of enjoyed watching both sides freak out over this over the last couple days. First, the howling from my left wing friends that Komen would dare stop giving money to Planned Parenthood, which really sent the wrong message that abortion trumps breast cancer, IMO. And now with Komen doubling back or whatever, the right wing folks I read and know looking to get refunds off of their "thanks for doing this" donations from the last day or so and vowing to vet their charities closer.

I really don't even know how Komen is going to be able to operate, given that no one with strong opinions on the matter is going to donate and will likely be very noisy about it. A shame.

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Date: 3/2/12 19:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueduck37.livejournal.com
First, the howling from my left wing friends that Komen would dare stop giving money to Planned Parenthood, which really sent the wrong message that abortion trumps breast cancer, IMO

In what universe is PP an organization that is more about abortion than breast cancer?

I really don't even know how Komen is going to be able to operate

Good riddance. It's an organization run by people more concerned with marketing and $ than womens' health decisions.

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Date: 3/2/12 19:50 (UTC)
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The upside is that people are a lot more aware of what they're donating to with the Susan G Komen organization - one that took in $350 million in 2009 and only turns around 17% of that for the actual "race for the cure". Also fond of ridiculous promotions:
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So awareness and education are not worthwhile endeavors?

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Date: 3/2/12 20:51 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com
the fact that various pro-choice orgs play politics every bit as much as their pro-life counterparts apparently hasn't occurred to them

What women's health causes have pro-choice groups interfered with?

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Date: 3/2/12 20:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bikinisquad3000.livejournal.com
Seriously. This is quite the broad definition of "playing politics."

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come on guise balance is more important than facts.

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Date: 3/2/12 21:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soliloquy76.livejournal.com
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And this person is the VP of Public Policy at SGC.

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Date: 4/2/12 09:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] op-tech-glitch.livejournal.com
How about I get some of my female friends together on an appropriate day of the month and they all bleed you a freaking river, Jade?
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Date: 3/2/12 22:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ford-prefect42.livejournal.com
so, where's the "market" in this? *What* market are you talking about?

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Date: 4/2/12 02:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com
I think there is a kind of free market dynamic for donated funds. If a charitable organization of multi-million dollar size is not affected by the whims of the market (people who decide where to give their extra money), then you are correct.

IN this case, not so much so.

I think everyone is missing the meta here; that a riled up Internet can cause some major changes to happen. We collectively have more power than we imagine.

Think about the fight against SOPA, and now this.

I must go to the laboratory and ponder this.

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Date: 3/2/12 22:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com
The whole thing was Orwellian in its development. Both sides are out to lunch on this one. SGK/PP just became a political football for internet activists and their political piss-fests. The Internet ruins everything. Even charity.

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Date: 3/2/12 22:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cinchntouch.livejournal.com
Your post made me laugh so hard I spit coke out my nose. You sir, are Snark King.

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Date: 4/2/12 08:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
One good thing to come out of it is now people know that Komen gives money to PP, so that they can stop donating to Komen if they don't want to be donating to PP also.
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