oh, and good job straw manning my view/dawkins view.

^ Tit for tat ^ ;)

#1) Causality is a fundimental element of our percieved universe.

#2) From #1; Everything that happens has a cause (even if that cause is not immediatly apperant)

#3) If everything that happens were to be caused to by something else, there would be an infinite chain of causes. (infinite regression)

#4) Because or percieved universe has a finite beginning and likely an end (as supported by scientific observation regarding the overall expansion and cooling of the interstellar medium) #3 can't happen.

Conclusion) From #2 and #4; There must be an "Ultimate" or "First Cause" beyond which nothing more can be sought. Such an "Ulimate Cause" would logically imply some kind of creative force intellegent or otherwise. Aristotle's "Unmoved Mover".
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